United (a) post-match thread

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Ardwick Green Blue said:
I'm over this game already but you have to say our league campaign has been shockingly bad and my concern is how it can be back to previous seasons levels next time around.

No-one has anything like a stellar season and the whole team seems to be deflated and out of form. We have dropped several levels this season so what will turn that around next season?
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Football is a funny old game. It’s very cyclical. Even whilst remaining amongst the top teams, levels and standards drop even with the best coaches.

Sometimes it’s like things just happen. No real rhyme or reason.

Last season we rotated as much as we have this. Same coach. Same training methods. Same ethos.

I suspect we will come back again next season.

If I were to pin anything particular on this season I would go with the following. Losing the best sided centre back on the planet. Not replacing Kompany. Moving Fernandinho into centre back whilst introducing a new (although fucking brilliant) centre midfield player designed to take his role, into a new league.

Im not with this whole rebuild. Personally I think we just need some luck. We need our key players to stay fit and we need to replace Otamendi and Stones.
 
OB1 said:
Apart from the one Sergio scored that was ridiculously given offside (a case of the combination of VAR and the laws of the game producing stupid results; of course, no VAR and the Assistant Ref would have needed an eye test - there's no way he stopped Sergio's shoulder was mm offside).
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Ok. I’m just pissed off.
VAR is bent.
 
Proy said:
I think when you look at our schedule and the amount of injuries we have, prioritising games is absolutely the right thing to do.

SW had more weight to it and so does Madrid. We will finish 2nd in the league at a canter.

Whilst I always want to win a derby, quite honestly today I couldn't give a fuck. It's just not important Vs where we currently are. It was a training drill. Minutes into legs.
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But why not play the strongest team today and rotate against Arsenal?
 
paulchapo said:
Well we keep on saying they are garbage and sure they aren't playing scintillating football but they are unbeaten in ten and have beaten us three times this season. Why can't they win the fa cup or Europa league? They are solid in defence, on the whole have a decent keeper and pace up front. If we draw them in the fa cup I fear they'd do us again. At the moment I am not 100% sure we will get past Newcastle.

We won the league cup but struggled against a poor Villa side. Great result in Madrid but even if we get through do you see us stopping the Bayer or Liverpool attack, or breaking down Atletico?

We are miles away from last season's form and some players need to see a sports psychologist or something because their total drop in form and confidence is baffling.
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They have a look of players that know it’s the managers last year
 
ancoats said:
but if only football was that easy matey ?? ok we lost and yes it hurts losing to them but would you swap places with them right now ? let them have there hour of glory and in the morning its gone you move on and go again and you can only look back at silverware not winning 3 points
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Yes, but dropping shite performances and presenting gifts to them is galling
 
paulchapo said:
Well we keep on saying they are garbage and sure they aren't playing scintillating football but they are unbeaten in ten and have beaten us three times this season. Why can't they win the fa cup or Europa league? They are solid in defence, on the whole have a decent keeper and pace up front. If we draw them in the fa cup I fear they'd do us again. At the moment I am not 100% sure we will get past Newcastle.

We won the league cup but struggled against a poor Villa side. Great result in Madrid but even if we get through do you see us stopping the Bayer or Liverpool attack, or breaking down Atletico?

We are miles away from last season's form and some players need to see a sports psychologist or something because their total drop in form and confidence is baffling.
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I realise after a derby defeat it may be difficult to stay rational, but even still you’ve done a decent job there of talking them up and talking us down.

When you look at the facts, it’s easier to flip it around.

We have had a poor league season but are otherwise in decent shape. I think today Pep half dropped that game.

Do I think we can win the champions league in context of just the football? I do. Yes. And I say that because on our day we can and have risen above pretty much everything.
 
Proy said:
Football is a funny old game. It’s very cyclical. Even whilst remaining amongst the top teams, levels and standards drop even with the best coaches.

Sometimes it’s like things just happen. No real rhyme or reason.

Last season we rotated as much as we have this. Same coach. Same training methods. Same ethos.

I suspect we will come back again next season.

If I were to pin anything particular on this season I would go with the following. Losing the best sided centre back on the planet. Not replacing Kompany. Moving Fernandinho into centre back whilst introducing a new (although fucking brilliant) centre midfield player designed to take his role, into a new league.

Im not with this whole rebuild. Personally I think we just need some luck. We need our key players to stay fit and we need to replace Otamendi and Stones.
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Hmmm...I would think you could post under the user name of Rosy Scenario :)

Why would all of our players simultaneously drop several levels on previous seasons? Who has had a good season to date (I'd say Aguero but he isn't the player he was at his peak)? What will change so dramatically next season?

So many questions...
 
Proy said:
I realise after a derby defeat it may be difficult to stay rational, but even still you’ve done a decent job there of talking them up and talking us down.

When you look at the facts, it’s easier to flip it around.

We have had a poor league season but are otherwise in decent shape. I think today Pep half dropped that game.

Do I think we can win the champions league in context of just the football? I do. Yes. And I say that because on our day we can and have risen above pretty much everything.
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KDB and Laporte are key this chance though. Anything is possible with those two. Without them we have no chance.
 
Scottish Cityzen said:
But why not play the strongest team today and rotate against Arsenal?
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its not about rotation or who is the strongest players, pep but a team out today to play the derby and he feels should have had enough to win but we didn't and we move on, people have a short memory and this season city have been hit hard with injuries to key players ? and losing laporte and sane and KDB in and out and the loss of the captain kompany and then mendy finding it hard to find any form, and just the normally little knocks and players missing its been a tough season up to now ??

but we have the league cup back in the bag and still in the FA cup and europe, so if we can find some luck with laporte and sane later on in the season and KDB can shake off that little niggle then we can still have a great season
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
Hmmm...I would think you could post under the user name of Rosy Scenario :)

Why would all of our players simultaneously drop several levels on previous seasons? Who has had a good season to date (I'd say Aguero but he isn't the player he was at his peak)? What will change so dramatically next season?

So many questions...
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The answer to that question is in the question my friend.

The level you are talking about was frankly extraordinary and is not something which can happen season upon season. The work we have done over the last 2 seasons is unparalleled. That is not the norm and certainly not a barometer people should be using to judge us by.
 
MaineRoadBlue said:
Who cares? ...because clearly the players didn't.

Personally I really am at pains to understand how so much possession generates so little in the way of goal threat! We are, and continue to be, the most inefficient team in premier league history.

Oh and Ederson, how can it be that when an outfield player misses 2 weeks and 2 games, he's considered to have lost the edge of fitness and some match sharpness and therefore returns as a sub from the bench. Yet with goalkeepers it seems OK to persist with this nonsensical and pointless cup rotation policy that has led to throwing a clearly stale Ederson straight back in.
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Bravo managed not to be stale when he’s sat on the bench all season There is no excuse for Eddie today, none, it was very poor and he nearly got a hatrick of fuck ups would have been 0:0 but for him even 0:1 if McCann had followed instructions to ass refs
 
Could've heard a pin drop at Trafford today until they got lucky with their first, unbelievably shite noise. City fans sounded good first half but very quiet second.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
KDB and Laporte are key this chance though. Anything is possible with those two. Without them we have no chance.
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Absolutely. No other team has had to contend with the injuries we have been through to critical players.

Hopefully Laporte is back for the return CL fixture.
 
So many players out of position..... Ederson Sterling Zinc WTF..cant be arsed carrying on..C.T.I.D.
 
chaddblue said:
I’ve watched sterling against wan Bissaka (or whatever the rag ****s name is) several times ... and Sterling is scared of taking him on. The rag has got his number and knows Sterling will hide against him
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Sterling on the left rarely takes anyone on, because he can't cross with his left foot, this is nothing new, not once today did he try the other side where he can cross.
 
simon23 said:
Im not criticising sergio bt if you cant see he is slighty not the player he once was then there is no point - this is age catching up with him...he has had to adapt and has done that marvelously BUT he has lost a bit of the threat he once had..those 2-3 yds burst of pace when he would go past any central defender/fullback is what is now missing - the performance today was nothnng to do with Kun but i was talkign about the fact that we are going to have to replace him at some point very soon and that complicates things hugely in terms of where else we need to strengthen.
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Someone tell me, how does Sergio's strike rate this season compare to any of his previous seasons with us ? Has to be right up there. I saw Sergio winning all his leg races today. Had we won 2 - 0 with 28 per cent possession at home, today, as a result of one blatant act of cheating, with fewer shots on target, any reasonable commentator would say we got lucky. They parked the bus and played like Burnley, but they have half a billion pounds worth of players to choose from. Yes, we were not at our best, smothered by the bus, but were far and away the better team.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
KDB and Laporte are key this chance though. Anything is possible with those two. Without them we have no chance.
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just written about the same thing hahahaha

we need so luck and get them back sooner and hope to god they don't back down again, but i will state that if we don't win anymore silverware this season bluemoon will be overload and blow up
 
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