bluevillain
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Is it still ok to wind rags up by saying tick tock.
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United game postponed due to bomb scare
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Dubai Blue
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Given that the device was found stuck to the back of a toilet door, it's safe to assume that it wasn't even a steward who found it but a rag who was about to take a dump.
johnny on the spot
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This guy from the caff gets it:
'I'm not angry, I find the whole thing a bit embarrassing mixed with a lot of relief. But the blame goes through us.
If you own a company, and you subcontract a job out and the company you subcontracted too injures someone, then you are still responsible. You can then probably sue the company who you contracted to do the work, but you are still yourself responsible.
If you bring in outside help to complete work for one of your customers and something goes wrong, who will be in the firing line? And what steps can you take to protect yourself?
A helping hand
If you’ve landed a contract but don’t have the resources or expertise to complete the work yourself, it’s common practice to use a sub-contractor to help out. But will you and your company be liable for their mistakes if things don’t go as planned?
Contractual problems
If you don’t supply the goods or services you’re being paid for in accordance with the terms and conditions of sale, you’ll be on the hook to sort out the problem, financial or otherwise, even if it was a sub-contractor which caused it.
Trap. Not having a sale contractdoesn’t mean you escape. Even if there’s no written or oral agreement, there’s an implied obligation to ensure that the job is completed to a reasonable standard.
Passing the buck
If your customer makes a claim against you because of, say, faulty workmanship, but this was down to the sub-contractor you used, you can, in turn, make a claim against them.
http://businessdatabase.indicator.c...a_sub_contractor_s_mistake_/UKTACDAR_EU110804
What Insurance Should I Require Independent Contractors to Have?
When you hire someone to work for you, they could make a mistake that costs you serious money. Say you hire an IT contractor who installs a slow, non-secure network. If your client suffers a data breach, your business can be sued for their mistake.
That’s why it’s important to hire insured contractors. If they make a mistake or fail to deliver the goods they promised, you are able to recoup some of the expenses by filing a lawsuit against them. Contractor insurance typically covers these damages and makes sure you don't end up paying for someone else's mistakes.
http://www.insureon.com/blog/post/2...-guide-to-contractor-liability-insurance.aspx
We can argue about the technical definitions here all day long, but it's clear as day that United are responsible whilst this security company are carrying out drills on their property, United are responsible after this security company leave, and United are responsible for not checking the toilets afterwards. Sure, United can sue this security company (especially if they got them to sign to say they had taken away all their equipment), but that doesn't absolve United in the first place'.
'I'm not angry, I find the whole thing a bit embarrassing mixed with a lot of relief. But the blame goes through us.
If you own a company, and you subcontract a job out and the company you subcontracted too injures someone, then you are still responsible. You can then probably sue the company who you contracted to do the work, but you are still yourself responsible.
If you bring in outside help to complete work for one of your customers and something goes wrong, who will be in the firing line? And what steps can you take to protect yourself?
A helping hand
If you’ve landed a contract but don’t have the resources or expertise to complete the work yourself, it’s common practice to use a sub-contractor to help out. But will you and your company be liable for their mistakes if things don’t go as planned?
Contractual problems
If you don’t supply the goods or services you’re being paid for in accordance with the terms and conditions of sale, you’ll be on the hook to sort out the problem, financial or otherwise, even if it was a sub-contractor which caused it.
Trap. Not having a sale contractdoesn’t mean you escape. Even if there’s no written or oral agreement, there’s an implied obligation to ensure that the job is completed to a reasonable standard.
Passing the buck
If your customer makes a claim against you because of, say, faulty workmanship, but this was down to the sub-contractor you used, you can, in turn, make a claim against them.
http://businessdatabase.indicator.c...a_sub_contractor_s_mistake_/UKTACDAR_EU110804
What Insurance Should I Require Independent Contractors to Have?
When you hire someone to work for you, they could make a mistake that costs you serious money. Say you hire an IT contractor who installs a slow, non-secure network. If your client suffers a data breach, your business can be sued for their mistake.
That’s why it’s important to hire insured contractors. If they make a mistake or fail to deliver the goods they promised, you are able to recoup some of the expenses by filing a lawsuit against them. Contractor insurance typically covers these damages and makes sure you don't end up paying for someone else's mistakes.
http://www.insureon.com/blog/post/2...-guide-to-contractor-liability-insurance.aspx
We can argue about the technical definitions here all day long, but it's clear as day that United are responsible whilst this security company are carrying out drills on their property, United are responsible after this security company leave, and United are responsible for not checking the toilets afterwards. Sure, United can sue this security company (especially if they got them to sign to say they had taken away all their equipment), but that doesn't absolve United in the first place'.
Helmet Cole
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....or someone in the clubs hierarchy looking under the cubicle door?Given that the device was found stuck to the back of a toilet door, it's safe to assume that it wasn't even a steward who found it but a rag who was about to take a dump.
johnny on the spot
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In other words, the rags dun goofed.
It needs to be the name of the United general showsec firm(s) that need to be plastered everywhere.Nice to see the name of the firm who planted the bomb and the name of the sniffer dogs firm has turned up in the press !
Also stating how much utd will loose over it £3m but forgetting to point out that it was utds responsibility to ensure the 70,000 fans safety rested with them .
The fake bomb firm needs to be fined, but the failure of the showsec to find it in 4 days with an official 75k arriving, needs the investigation focus.
The fake bomb firm mistake was incompetence and no procedure followed/existing.
the showsec firm(s) are willfull neglect of public safety duty, which could have led to something far worse than just attending a swamp match, if the device was real.
valleyblue
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Having worked in the stadia industry for years, I am absolutely staggered at the incompetence of this so called "Super club"
For the people saying "it's not the clubs fault" it absolutely is the clubs fault.
Manchester United are responsible for what happens at Old Trafford, if the company had hired the stadium to run an exercise as often happens at stadia up and down the country then of course they should take some blame.
However this device should have been spotted and dealt with way before tens of thousands of people were allowed to access their seats.
Unprofessional amateurs, they should be censored and fined for damaging the integrity of the premier league.
Can you imagine a situation where City lost yesterday? And United knew exactly what was needed on Tuesday night? It doesn't bare thinking about.
For the people saying "it's not the clubs fault" it absolutely is the clubs fault.
Manchester United are responsible for what happens at Old Trafford, if the company had hired the stadium to run an exercise as often happens at stadia up and down the country then of course they should take some blame.
However this device should have been spotted and dealt with way before tens of thousands of people were allowed to access their seats.
Unprofessional amateurs, they should be censored and fined for damaging the integrity of the premier league.
Can you imagine a situation where City lost yesterday? And United knew exactly what was needed on Tuesday night? It doesn't bare thinking about.
mrtwiceaseason
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Exactly the same as on Sunday utd needed 3 points realisticallyHaving worked in the stadia industry for years, I am absolutely staggered at the incompetence of this so called "Super club"
For the people saying "it's not the clubs fault" it absolutely is the clubs fault.
Manchester United are responsible for what happens at Old Trafford, if the company had hired the stadium to run an exercise as often happens at stadia up and down the country then of course they should take some blame.
However this device should have been spotted and dealt with way before tens of thousands of people were allowed to access their seats.
Unprofessional amateurs, they should be censored and fined for damaging the integrity of the premier league.
Can you imagine a situation where City lost yesterday? And United knew exactly what was needed on Tuesday night? It doesn't bare thinking about.
stadiumcat
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The game should be forfeit and Bournemouth get the 3 points. MUFC should then be deducted points from next seasons starting on -6; 1 for being late at spurs, 2 for being late at West Ham and 3 for yesterday.
But realistically you know it will go unpunished; now if that was City?
But realistically you know it will go unpunished; now if that was City?
GaudinoMotors
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I imagine if the goal difference was a lot less - more would be being made of the loss of fixture integrity.