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enjoyed the comments mate, its always lovely when you get a biter like that one as well!No6 said:
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United thread 2013/14
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Prestwich_Blue
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Not sure if serious. Never know with you. ;-)andyhinch said:Could you explain the maths.Prestwich_Blue said:What he's done is sell shares he hasn't got (basically that he's borrowed) in the expectation that he can buy those back at a lower price later on, thereby making a profit. He's gambling on the price going down and he that he will be able to do that. If it goes up, then it costs him money.No6 said:Some financial analysis from the Guardian here:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jan/14/manchester-united-share-price-david-moyes-premier-league?CMP=twt_gu&commentpage=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... mentpage=1</a>
Having fun WUMming in the comments too :)
Edit: just come across this too via the comments section: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2521621/The-22m-football-bet-Hedge-fund-guru-Crispin-Odey-shorts-Manchester-United-shares.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mark ... hares.html</a>
Anyone with a bit more financial acumen than me got any more info on this?
It's like one of us agreeing to sell a match ticket to someone for £50 then trying to buy one for less money before you have to give it to the buyer. If you buy one for £35, you're in profit. If you have to pay £55 then you've lost a fiver.
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I didn't do well on the IQ test:) all this adding and subtracting, it's like rocket science.Prestwich_Blue said:Not sure if serious. Never know with you. ;-)andyhinch said:Could you explain the maths.Prestwich_Blue said:What he's done is sell shares he hasn't got (basically that he's borrowed) in the expectation that he can buy those back at a lower price later on, thereby making a profit. He's gambling on the price going down and he that he will be able to do that. If it goes up, then it costs him money.
It's like one of us agreeing to sell a match ticket to someone for £50 then trying to buy one for less money before you have to give it to the buyer. If you buy one for £35, you're in profit. If you have to pay £55 then you've lost a fiver.
Prestwich_Blue said:United will have the Rooney money though.TGR said:M18CTID said:Yeah, I think we seem to be forgetting that Spurs signed a lot of very good players in the summer and that was without having CL football so it is entirely possible that United could attract similar quality players if they don't get top 4 either. The burning question though is just how big a spend are the Glazers prepared to sanction? As you say, moving on some ageing high earners will create a fair bit of extra space in their budget regardless. And if the clearout extends to, say, 7 or 8 players, then there will be plenty of scope for freshening up their squad. Hopefully they screw the opportunity up and spend a shed load of money on mediocre players!
Don't forget that Spurs only spent the Gareth Bale money - nothing else. They also do have an owner with pretty deep pockets and plenty of cash.
The rags have neither.
But will it buy a Rooney player!!
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come on Sam, all the players they're getting in are world class! not singing from the hymn sheet here ;)<br /><br />-- Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:49 pm --<br /><br />samharris said:Prestwich_Blue said:United will have the Rooney money though.TGR said:Don't forget that Spurs only spent the Gareth Bale money - nothing else. They also do have an owner with pretty deep pockets and plenty of cash.
The rags have neither.
But will it buy a Rooney player!!
if there is going to be a big fall in price, it will be because they've failed to secure champions league football and revenue for 2014/15.jrb said:Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?
Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.
aguero93:20 said:come on Sam, all the players they're getting in are world class! not singing from the hymn sheet here ;)samharris said:Prestwich_Blue said:United will have the Rooney money though.
But will it buy a Rooney player!!
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if there is going to be a big fall in price, it will be because they've failed to secure champions league football and revenue for 2014/15.jrb said:Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?
Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.
My bad..its the naughty stair for me..
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jrb said:Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?
Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.
A point to bear in mind is that Wall Street stocks in general have been doing well over the last several months. I have shares in NASDAQ listed companies and they're doing very nicely thank you. In the meanwhile the rags' share price continues to fall and Wall Street analysts believe it will fall further. All of this scuppers the Glazers' stated intention a few months ago of floating another $400 millions worth of shares on the market. Their problem is that if the share price is falling at this rate as investors bale out, who's going to buy another wedge of them? Plus of course, the lower the price falls the more shares they'd have to float to pocket $400 million.
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yet at the same time they blame market conditions for any fall in their shares and our brave media fail to call them out on it.laserblue said:jrb said:Share price currently $15.06. Was at $15.01. Willl it go under $15?
Remember, it was at $19+ at one stage. Opened at $14.
A point to bear in mind is that Wall Street stocks in general have been doing well over the last several months. I have shares in NASDAQ listed companies and they're doing very nicely thank you. In the meanwhile the rags' share price continues to fall and Wall Street analysts believe it will fall further. All of this scuppers the Glazers' stated intention a few months ago of floating another $400 millions worth of shares on the market. Their problem is that if the share price is falling at this rate as investors bale out, who's going to buy another wedge of them? Plus of course, the lower the price falls the more shares they'd have to float to pocket $400 million.
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