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United Thread 2015/16
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How many times do you have to be told?
Manchester City is sustainable and in profit and therefore not reliant on the price of oil.
Now please try to get that into your thick skull!
I never said City are reliant on oil.
I implied that the 'ownership' risk associated with City is high.
Why are you being aggressive towards me? ("thick skull" comment)
Take it easy ... I am open to changing my views. This is how we all learn.
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Have to say fair play to the turtle coming out and giving the media vultures nothing. It's a farce that managers are forced to speak to the media in the first place. I'd love all managers to do what Pellegrini does and give them absolutely nothing. Just to see what crap they come up with to sell papers.
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he had them by the bollox,fair play to himHave to say fair play to the turtle coming out and giving the media vultures nothing. It's a farce that managers are forced to speak to the media in the first place. I'd love all managers to do what Pellegrini does and give them absolutely nothing. Just to see what crap they come up with to sell papers.
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Dear Forum,
I apologize if I unwittingly made you believe that I am against your owners. I'm not - in fact I have praised them in the past.
I'm really interested in the financial aspects of running a club and hence why I spoke about financial risks.
I'm open to changing my views just as I hope you are too.
City's rise from a regional club to a global club has interested me.
There have been implications on competition, wages, transfer fees, agents, how investments are made, etc.
Feel free to ban me if you think otherwise.
If you have really been following City's rise and HRH Sheikh Mansour since the takeover, you will be aware of the fact that he made approximately £2 billion ($3 billion) by buying Barclays Bank shares at the height of the recession and selling them a few years later.
I have no idea why they would suddenly need a few hundred million. Drop in the oilwell for them. If ever it was needed, I would expect them to sell the business as a whole.
Lower/higher risk will depend on perspective. I wouldn't think there's any risk in either right now - one is sellable, one has no need to be sold.
It is a legitimate outlook.
If you have really been following City's rise and HRH Sheikh Mansour since the takeover, you will be aware of the fact that he made approximately £2 billion ($3 billion) by buying Barclays Bank shares at the height of the recession and selling them a few years later.
Did not know this ... I learned something new :)
I think united saw the turtle as a banker, a certainty and a safe pair of hands that guaranteed success. They were reluctant to give gollum too much money and he came with a reputation of achieving moderate success on a shoestring anyway.
With TT, they assumed that giving him 250 million would be money well spent. It hasn't worked out.
To suggest that we're in a more precarious position than them is laughable. That 250 million will raise eyebrows with shareholders and will be seen as a bad investment.
Contrast that with Sheikh Mansour. Any deal he gets involved with under that amount doesn't even register on his website because it's that insignificant to him.
Ps, the remark about only getting foreign supporters due to success has to be the most hypocritical post I've ever seen on here.
With TT, they assumed that giving him 250 million would be money well spent. It hasn't worked out.
To suggest that we're in a more precarious position than them is laughable. That 250 million will raise eyebrows with shareholders and will be seen as a bad investment.
Contrast that with Sheikh Mansour. Any deal he gets involved with under that amount doesn't even register on his website because it's that insignificant to him.
Ps, the remark about only getting foreign supporters due to success has to be the most hypocritical post I've ever seen on here.
xgorton
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Felt sorry for the bloke.He's losing it but I found it hilarious.. his dead pan voice.
'enjoy your wine and the mince pie... goodbye' LOL
MillionMilesAway
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I implied that the 'ownership' risk associated with City is high.
The 'ownership risk' concept is strange.
If I buy 10 shares in a company for £10, the risk is tiny. If I only am worth £20, then the risk is high. The Sheikh is mindbogglingly rich, and invested in a high-risk financial field because it give high returns of visibility. One outcome of that appears to be the Chinese deal, with ADUG now allowed into the Chinese media market. This is the game that ADUG are in, not football; football is a nice, visible, entertainment of value only in terms of image for them.
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I never said City are reliant on oil.
I implied that the 'ownership' risk associated with City is high.
Why are you being aggressive towards me? ("thick skull" comment)
Take it easy ... I am open to changing my views. This is how we all learn.
I apologise if you took exception to my comment, but several of us had already stated that we are in profit, no longer reliant on HRH's money and the price of oil has fuck all to do with Manchester City any more.
MillionMilesAway
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Have to say fair play to the turtle coming out and giving the media vultures nothing. It's a farce that managers are forced to speak to the media in the first place. I'd love all managers to do what Pellegrini does and give them absolutely nothing. Just to see what crap they come up with to sell papers.
They'll be already filing their throat ripping pieces. Something about a feral mob?
Funny how none of these were relevant when we were just Ikkle Citeh....
I didn't understand what you meant.
I am tracking City because in a space of 5 years, they have gone from regional-level to global-level.
I have never seen such a thing before so hence why I look at funding/strategy/etc.
MillionMilesAway
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I didn't understand what you meant.
I am tracking City because in a space of 5 years, they have gone from regional-level to global-level.
I have never seen such a thing before so hence why I look at funding/strategy/etc.
Applying standard business principles to football is a little naive.
The 'ownership risk' concept is strange.
If I buy 10 shares in a company for £10, the risk is tiny. If I only am worth £20, then the risk is high. The Sheikh is mindbogglingly rich, and invested in a high-risk financial field because it give high returns of visibility. One outcome of that appears to be the Chinese deal, with ADUG now allowed into the Chinese media market. This is the game that ADUG are in, not football; football is a nice, visible, entertainment of value only in terms of image for them.
Got it. So ADUG is focused on 'entertainment' in general and not just sports?
Does ADUG also own a stake in media channels, movie halls, etc. as part of their strategy?
Felt sorry for the bloke.
He does seem to be ready to burst into tears at any minute.. barely holding it together me thinks. We could see a Kevin Keegan-esque resignation soon if they keep losing..
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Yes, he's very well paid for handling the pressure of being at that club. But it's hard when the criticism and speculation start affecting the family of the bloke. Not sure calling out the vultures in the media and suggesting they apologise to him is going to get them onside though.Felt sorry for the bloke.
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