United thread 2020/21

[Protein Junkie]

What a a a nice, modest young rat he is.

Yehhh Vienna

 

[Blueboy73]

So much is forgotten about and ignored about that football club.

They’re portrayed as if they’ve always been this big club, but they were the junior club of Manchester until the 1950s. They had average attendances in the 1930s of 11,000 and 13,000 with many individual attendances of around 3-4,000 (3,969 v Boro and 3,507 v Southampton in 1931, for example).
But get onto a conversation with Rags about attendances and someone will always pipe up with “Mansfield Auto Windscreens”, and the media will come out with stories about that from time-to-time (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-ago-losing-tomansfield-auto-windscreens/amp/) but have you ever heard the media mention United’s little attendances they used to get in the First Division? No, they’re always talked about as if they’ve always been massive.

They were such a small club that they pleaded with City to oppose the application from Manchester Central to join the football league, which happened at around the same time as United were dicing with relegation to the Third Division in 1934… at the same time City were getting to two consecutive FA Cup finals, building towards winning the First Division title in 1937, and banging out multiple 75,000+ attendances (including our 84,569 against Stoke).
Again, is any of this ever brought up by the media? I don’t think I’ve ever heard this mentioned.

They've pretty much gone bust twice. If it weren’t for wealthy businessmen - John Henry Davies (and three others) in 1902, and James W Gibson in 1931 - there would be no Manchester United.
Do you ever hear anyone ever say how they were so poorly run and had no fans that they were nearly wound up, not once, but twice? Or if it wasn’t for big investment and sugar daddies, United wouldn’t exist? Or any pundits or journalists ever bring that into the conversation when talking about “Abu Dhabi” “oil money” investment? No. In fact, it’s talked about as if United have always got their money “the proper way” (whatever that means!).

Do you ever hear United, or anyone else, credit City with helping out United?
United were allowed first-dibs on City’s banned main stars Billy Meredith, Sandy Turnbull, Herbert Burgess, and Jimmy Bannister; which saw them win their first trophies. If it weren’t for City’s players, United’s first ever trophies wouldn’t have come until Matt Busby went to United in the 1940s.
[As mentioned] City helped United oppose Manchester Central from entering the Football League… right at the time United were at their lowest ever point, a club with a buzz about them in the amateur leagues coming along would have seen the end of United.
Old Trafford couldn’t be used after bombing by the Luftwaffe, so City allowed United to play at Maine Road. City had just been relegated and United promoted. Just ten years after United were getting their worst ever attendances, City fans went along to Maine Road to watch United as the First Division club. These, to this day, are United’s biggest ever attendances (81,962 v Arsenal in 1948) and were supplemented massively by City fans (around this very time City got 69,463 attending a Second Division game). Those gate receipts and size of crowds will have helped them massively achieve what they did in those early years under Busby.
Ever heard a Rag, a pundit, or a journo mention these things though?

Has United’s treatment of the Munich Air Disaster survivors, widows, and families ever been aired by the media? Like someone else mentioned above, the Third Reich is mentioned at length in the historical record; lots of negatives coming out about the British Empire, over the last few decades; the majority of journalists out there fall over themselves to come out with negative angles about “Abu Dhabi”… lots is said about the Munich Air Disaster, the Busby Babes, the tragedy of the lives lost, but I can’t recall anything ever being mentioned about how United stopped payments to survivors and families? ended help for travel for injured players who had to retire? kicking survivors and families out of homes? Or fastforward to the 1990s with Cantona refusing to play in the Munich Memorial game unless he was paid and United paying him from funds that were supposed to be for the survivors and families of the Disaster, yet again shitting in them?
Well, of course not, Cantona is a fan favourite and United can’t be portrayed as dick heads in the media.

Do you ever hear about United fans singing about the Aberfan tragedy in a game against Cardiff? Do you ever hear about United fans killing Middlesbrough fans at Ayresome Park in 1980 when they surged and caused a wall to bulge and a fence to collapse killing the people below? Do you ever hear about United fans murdering a Crystal Palace by repeatedly stabbing him and smashing his head with a brick, at the 1995 FA Cup semifinal?
No. But they’re quick to chant “murderers” at Liverpool fans aren’t they? The fucking hypocrites!

So much is forgotten and ignored about that stinking club to ensure the myth of them always being a big club who always do everything the right way is upheld in the public domain.

Fantastic post!
They also received another huge leg up with the stock market flotation of 1991 which gave them the funds to go and buy the best players and dominate for years as a result.
This is equity investment, as is the investment received by City from HH.
The difference being that this left them open to they type of takeover from The Glazers that has ultimately plunged them into so much debt.
What a shame!

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I'm sure that they were up to no good, late 60s,illegal payments?

Wouldn’t surprise me.

Louis Edwards was certainly selling condemned meat to schools which went towards investment at United.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Fantastic post!
They also received another huge leg up with the stock market flotation of 1991 which gave them the funds to go and buy the best players and dominate for years as a result.
This is equity investment, as is the investment received by City from HH.
The difference being that this left them open to they type of takeover from The Glazers that has ultimately plunged them into so much debt.
What a shame!

Indeed!

After over a quarter of a century not winning the league and winning just three FA Cups, they’d assembled the most expensive football team ever seen in English football ahead of their most successful period in their history.

They always bang on about “we do it the right way” “we spend money that we’ve earnt through winning things”, but 3 FA Cup and fuck all else in a quarter of a century doesn’t allow a club to create the most expensive team ever does it?

 

[nmc]

thinks he’s doing them a favour.

 

[Blueboy73]

Indeed!

After over a quarter of a century not winning the league and winning just three FA Cups, they’d assembled the most expensive football team ever seen in English football ahead of their most successful period in their history.

They always bang on about “we do it the right way” “we spend money that we’ve earnt through winning things”, but 3 FA Cup and fuck all else in a quarter of a century doesn’t allow a club to create the most expensive team ever does it?

I never get tired of correcting thick Rags, Dippers and Tarquins who bang on about "Dirty Oil Money" .
Most Rags have never heard of Davies or Gibson or are aware of the huge financial leg up they received around the time their 30 odd thousand fans were regularly singing "Fergie out"
Same with Dippers who have never heard of Houlding or Moores, failing FFP twice, almost going into administration or writing off £50 million against FFP for a fictional stadium.
Most Tarquins have never heard of Norris or Fizman and don't see the irony of being sponsored by Emirates and having visit Rwanda on their sleeves.
The thick self-entitled red shirt mard arses didn't sign up for this and their salty tears are delicious.
Maybe they should all get together and send a letter of congratulations on Arsenal letterheaded, afterall we all know how much they like writing letters

 

[Bluemoon115]

Bottling Scouse saving Cunts.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

So much is forgotten about and ignored about that football club.

They’re portrayed as if they’ve always been this big club, but they were the junior club of Manchester until the 1950s. They had average attendances in the 1930s of 11,000 and 13,000 with many individual attendances of around 3-4,000 (3,969 v Boro and 3,507 v Southampton in 1931, for example).
But get onto a conversation with Rags about attendances and someone will always pipe up with “Mansfield Auto Windscreens”, and the media will come out with stories about that from time-to-time (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-ago-losing-tomansfield-auto-windscreens/amp/) but have you ever heard the media mention United’s little attendances they used to get in the First Division? No, they’re always talked about as if they’ve always been massive.

They were such a small club that they pleaded with City to oppose the application from Manchester Central to join the football league, which happened at around the same time as United were dicing with relegation to the Third Division in 1934… at the same time City were getting to two consecutive FA Cup finals, building towards winning the First Division title in 1937, and banging out multiple 75,000+ attendances (including our 84,569 against Stoke).
Again, is any of this ever brought up by the media? I don’t think I’ve ever heard this mentioned.

They've pretty much gone bust twice. If it weren’t for wealthy businessmen - John Henry Davies (and three others) in 1902, and James W Gibson in 1931 - there would be no Manchester United.
Do you ever hear anyone ever say how they were so poorly run and had no fans that they were nearly wound up, not once, but twice? Or if it wasn’t for big investment and sugar daddies, United wouldn’t exist? Or any pundits or journalists ever bring that into the conversation when talking about “Abu Dhabi” “oil money” investment? No. In fact, it’s talked about as if United have always got their money “the proper way” (whatever that means!).

Do you ever hear United, or anyone else, credit City with helping out United?
United were allowed first-dibs on City’s banned main stars Billy Meredith, Sandy Turnbull, Herbert Burgess, and Jimmy Bannister; which saw them win their first trophies. If it weren’t for City’s players, United’s first ever trophies wouldn’t have come until Matt Busby went to United in the 1940s.
[As mentioned] City helped United oppose Manchester Central from entering the Football League… right at the time United were at their lowest ever point, a club with a buzz about them in the amateur leagues coming along would have seen the end of United.
Old Trafford couldn’t be used after bombing by the Luftwaffe, so City allowed United to play at Maine Road. City had just been relegated and United promoted. Just ten years after United were getting their worst ever attendances, City fans went along to Maine Road to watch United as the First Division club. These, to this day, are United’s biggest ever attendances (81,962 v Arsenal in 1948) and were supplemented massively by City fans (around this very time City got 69,463 attending a Second Division game). Those gate receipts and size of crowds will have helped them massively achieve what they did in those early years under Busby.
Ever heard a Rag, a pundit, or a journo mention these things though?

Has United’s treatment of the Munich Air Disaster survivors, widows, and families ever been aired by the media? Like someone else mentioned above, the Third Reich is mentioned at length in the historical record; lots of negatives coming out about the British Empire, over the last few decades; the majority of journalists out there fall over themselves to come out with negative angles about “Abu Dhabi”… lots is said about the Munich Air Disaster, the Busby Babes, the tragedy of the lives lost, but I can’t recall anything ever being mentioned about how United stopped payments to survivors and families? ended help for travel for injured players who had to retire? kicking survivors and families out of homes? Or fastforward to the 1990s with Cantona refusing to play in the Munich Memorial game unless he was paid and United paying him from funds that were supposed to be for the survivors and families of the Disaster, yet again shitting in them?
Well, of course not, Cantona is a fan favourite and United can’t be portrayed as dick heads in the media.

Do you ever hear about United fans singing about the Aberfan tragedy in a game against Cardiff? Do you ever hear about United fans killing Middlesbrough fans at Ayresome Park in 1980 when they surged and caused a wall to bulge and a fence to collapse killing the people below? Do you ever hear about United fans murdering a Crystal Palace by repeatedly stabbing him and smashing his head with a brick, at the 1995 FA Cup semifinal?
No. But they’re quick to chant “murderers” at Liverpool fans aren’t they? The fucking hypocrites!

So much is forgotten and ignored about that stinking club to ensure the myth of them always being a big club who always do everything the right way is upheld in the public domain.

Spot on and really enjoyed that PC - top man..............

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

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Utds new kit out

Where do you buy high end clobber like that?

Asking for mate obviously..........

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Yehhh Vienna

What's G-Nev got to do with it?