At these point they'll get 4th. Spurs and West Ham aren't, and Arsenal are a young team in this position for the first time.
Also they're going to fluke over Atletico aren't they? We need these OUT of the Champions League now. They would probably draw Ajax/Benfica/Juve/Villareal in the quarters and suddenly they're in the semi-finals ready to do a Greece2004. If they qualify I could also see them fluking against us, or Chelsea. It's just you or Bayern actually that I have confidence in not being upset by them.