United Thread - 2022/23

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

This has been well documented in books and documentaries. In 1958, there was no money in football. Players were capped at £20 per week.

Furthermore at the time of the crash, nothing resembling a compensation culture existed in Britain. After two world wars, the British public wanted to see resilience from victims, and not perhaps entitlements (no matter how deserved the survivor’s claims were). United’s treatment of the survivors of Munich was not unique and it is unfair to apply modern day standards to the past.

This was echoed across many football clubs in the past. West Ham's treatment of Bobby Moore when he left the club and was diagnosed with cancer, or the FA's treatment of the 1966 world cup winning squad. Many of them ended up taking on normal jobs after leaving football. Only Jack Charlton and Alan Ball managed at the top level. Gordon Banks and Roger Hunt worked on the pools panel; Ray Wilson became an undertaker; George Cohen, struggling with cancer, didn't watch a football match for years. Even their manager, Sir Alf Ramsey, sacked at the age of just 53 - at least as much because of internal FA politics as because of the results on the pitch - never found a new role, despite being the only England manager to successfully win a World Cup.

That's bollox mate.

My grandad fought in 2 world wars, and him and other exsoldiers did lots to support the families of those who suffered because their husbands and fathers were killed and injured in the conflicts.
My own mother spent 2 years looking after the child of a bloke who worked on the railways with my dad and who's wife had died of cancer.
Even the mill owners found other lines of work for those injured in work rather than make families destitute.
People fully expected to look after those that should be helped and you quoting other bad examples of employers being absolute twats does not in the least excuse the bloody appalling way that united behaved towards their employees who were crippled while on duty for them.

And if it was ok then why, when they bring the subject up to milk it over and over again, do they repeatedly hide it away?
Why can't they at least be honest, maybe say that they're now sorry for how bloody awful they were in the manner that they deliberately and cruelly left their crippled staff destitute?

 

[Mr Edward's shoe mirror]

Had Munich not happened would United be as big as what they became on a worldwide scale ????

I don't think it's something that anyone would be particularly glad for. They were the only club from England who were touring Europe at the time. The FA tried to stop them.

If those players had have lived and gone onto win things instead, then the path of history could have gone off the scale, but after Munich they struggled for many years.

The 68 cup final was definitely a crowd puller, in terms of growing the fanbase, and this was against the backdrop of what happened at Munich, but would they have won it sooner with the team that perished?

We'll never know. Because thankfully, not many football teams die in plane crashes.

 

[Mr Edward's shoe mirror]

That's bollox mate.

My grandad fought in 2 world wars, and him and other exsoldiers did lots to support the families of those who suffered because their husbands and fathers were killed and injured in the conflicts.
My own mother spent 2 years looking after the child of a bloke who worked on the railways with my dad and who's wife had died of cancer.
Even the mill owners found other lines of work for those injured in work rather than make families destitute.
People fully expected to look after those that should be helped and you quoting other bad examples of employers being absolute twats does not in the least excuse the bloody appalling way that united behaved towards their employees who were crippled while on duty for them.

And if it was ok then why, when they bring the subject up to milk it over and over again, do they repeatedly hide it away?
Why can't they at least be honest, maybe say that they're now sorry for how bloody awful they were in the manner that they deliberately and cruelly left their crippled staff destitute?

Laying a wreath on a pitch once a year, at their own ground, seems to send some people on here into a rage. Trying to justify this by suddenly becoming Jackie Blanchflower's chief spokesperson, 65 years after the event is a bit, you know...

And I'm certain that the people who actually lost loves ones in that tragedy, including the family of City goalkeeper, Frank Swift, appreciate some flowers being laid down on a pitch to commemorate their lives.

Match is on now, so that's all I'm saying on this.

 

[Blue Mist]

Explain to me the logistics of a potential cash windfall from the Munich Air Disaster. How do you actually earn money from it?

Seriously !!! I mean seriously.
Have you forgotten a huge Munich memorial banner was sponsored by AIG ?
But it isn't just about the actual money, it's about global exposure.

 

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

Laying a wreath on a pitch once a year, at their own ground, seems to send some people on here into a rage. Trying to justify this by suddenly becoming Jackie Blanchflower's chief spokesperson, 65 years after the event is a bit, you know...

And I'm certain that the people who actually lost loves ones in that tragedy, including the family of City goalkeeper, Frank Swift, appreciate some flowers being laid down on a pitch to commemorate their lives.

Match is on now, so that's all I'm saying on this.

The fact is that there have aleways been decent people and decent businesses doing decent things, and some bloody awful people and bloody awful businesses doing bloody awful things.
Defend what utd did to their crippled employees all you like - it only tells everyone reading what kind of person you are by reeling off excuses to support them.

You do right to toddle off, at the next salute you'd be defending slavery because 'some people owned them back in the day' so goodbye and good riddance to you. You're a wrong 'un.

 

[Blue Mist]

Fuck me, the boozer I'm in, a rag thought Vardy scored and one walked in after about 40 minutes and shouted come on Wolves. What a thick fucking inbred bunch of no nowts.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Which ever way we look at them, at this current rate of results they will overtake us. It's no laughing matter when also we wont win a trophy and they way things are going......they will. Enough to keep you up at night.

 

[Mr Edward's shoe mirror]

Seriously !!! I mean seriously.
Have you forgotten a huge Munich memorial banner was sponsored by AIG ?
But it isn't just about the actual money, it's about global exposure.

Yeah, so how does the money actually go into their pocket?

I'm a lad in China, I've just watched them lay a wreath on the pitch. How does the Glazers get my money? Do I just send a cheque to Florida? I'm curious why that air disaster would make me part with my cash?

Did AIG make the banner for free, as long as their logo was on it? Or did they pay money for their logo on it? How much money do you reckon that would entail? A couple of grand? The banner would have cost about 3 grand to make. So do you think that United making 3k is a significant amount of money, baring in mind that they make over 4 million for every home game.

I'm just playing devils advocate here, because people come on here using their opinions as facts, and over time these opinions become sacrosanct, which is quite dangerous.

 

[Vienna_70]

Laying a wreath on a pitch once a year, at their own ground, seems to send some people on here into a rage. Trying to justify this by suddenly becoming Jackie Blanchflower's chief spokesperson, 65 years after the event is a bit, you know...

And I'm certain that the people who actually lost loves ones in that tragedy, including the family of City goalkeeper, Frank Swift, appreciate some flowers being laid down on a pitch to commemorate their lives.

Match is on now, so that's all I'm saying on this.

But it’s not done to commemorate Frank and the other non-United people, who died that day, as no mention is ever made of them.

It’s all about the players who lost their lives.

 

[Vienna_70]

Yeah, so how does the money actually go into their pocket?

I'm a lad in China, I've just watched them lay a wreath on the pitch. How does the Glazers get my money? Do I just send a cheque to Florida? I'm curious why that air disaster would make me part with my cash?

Did AIG make the banner for free, as long as their logo was on it? Or did they pay money for their logo on it? How much money do you reckon that would entail? A couple of grand? The banner would have cost about 3 grand to make. So do you think that United making 3k is a significant amount of money, baring in mind that they make over 4 million for every home game.

I'm just playing devils advocate here, because people come on here using their opinions as facts, and over time these opinions become sacrosanct, which is quite dangerous.

There’s no way on Earth that the rags would have only charged AIG £3 000 to have its logo on the banner.

More like £300k.