United Thread - 2023/24

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Bald fraud said:
It’s gathering pace way too quickly this. You just know the scummy bastards will get this funding. Absolutely disgusting!
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One massive economic case will be made for this. I am becoming more and more convinced the refurb needed for the Taylor report was done using low cost legal materials at the time and possibly the 95 works for the Euros as well. 30 year approx shelf life is up, Schools still standing 60 years later etc but they don't have 70K people in them at anyone time on multiple levels bouncing around to worry about in a stress test.

Football tourism is massive for the City, fans of both clubs travel in from all over the globe, hotels, hospitality, retail etc all see a boost and local employment is up. Imagine the 95 stand built to replace the 66 govt funded world cup one is deemed unsafe, shut or reduced capacity. Pyramid effect kicks in across the city on match days. Massive club? Massive tax dodgers at the top? Can't get around that they are a massive contributor as an entity to the Greater Manchester economy.

If this comes to light as a know issue for decades amongst the Swamp hierarchy ignored as a future me problem then this is mismanagement and unacceptable risk and raises a serious question.

Should the UK Government bail them out as a necessity for the area or let market forces dictate that a privately owned company electing to not maintain physical infrastructure over a 30 year period suffers the known consequences? If they do settle that the Rags must continue trading as is, just like the banks had to, do we the taxpayer get to own a % of the club as a guarantee that we'll get the money back - like RBS?

Aside: imagine they do have to reduce capacity on safety grounds, reduced gate revenue, reduced turnover, we all know where this leads on current PSR rules.
 
Cumbie Blue said:
One massive economic case will be made for this. I am becoming more and more convinced the refurb needed for the Taylor report was done using low cost legal materials at the time and possibly the 95 works for the Euros as well. 30 year approx shelf life is up, Schools still standing 60 years later etc but they don't have 70K people in them at anyone time on multiple levels bouncing around to worry about in a stress test.

Football tourism is massive for the City, fans of both clubs travel in from all over the globe, hotels, hospitality, retail etc all see a boost and local employment is up. Imagine the 95 stand built to replace the 66 govt funded world cup one is deemed unsafe, shut or reduced capacity. Pyramid effect kicks in across the city on match days. Massive club? Massive tax dodgers at the top? Can't get around that they are a massive contributor as an entity to the Greater Manchester economy.

If this comes to light as a know issue for decades amongst the Swamp hierarchy ignored as a future me problem then this is mismanagement and unacceptable risk and raises a serious question.

Should the UK Government bail them out as a necessity for the area or let market forces dictate that a privately owned company electing to not maintain physical infrastructure over a 30 year period suffers the known consequences? If they do settle that the Rags must continue trading as is, just like the banks had to, do we the taxpayer get to own a % of the club as a guarantee that we'll get the money back - like RBS?

Aside: imagine they do have to reduce capacity on safety grounds, reduced gate revenue, reduced turnover, we all know where this leads on current PSR rules.
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A privately owned company whose biggest shareholders and the company itself, are registered in 3 different, UK tax avoiding shelters as well. Still, they did it for Tata Steel and if Ratcliffe can get Infosys involved, Sunak will write the government cheque himself!!
 
johnevans said:
'The sheer audacity of even thinking about it in the first place..' Correct! Exactly correct! Exactly f**king correct!

I never thought it would be possible for me to despise that club, its entitled owners/managers and the entitled element of its support, any more than I do nowadays. But hearing the 'softening up job' that has started in the media over the past day or so, well I have found some extra capacity to despise them all the yet more. And I've been despising the lot of them since being taken to welcome home the United team at Albert Square after it had reached the FA Cup final against all the odds after the Munich air disaster, only to witness the awful way the club and its owners/managers treated those affected in the years post-Munich, post- (if I may say) 'Manchester's Disaster'

The so-called 'football journalists' who lurk on here should grow the cojones to take on that wretched, venal and self-centred club properly and ask some long overdue, pertinent questions about its behaviour down the years.

They might then come up with media articles which would explain just why the answer to The Red Filth's expectation that the taxpayer fills up the outstretched begging bowl should be a firm 'NO!'. And while they're doing it, maybe those partial, lily-livered twunts in the media might want to explore the following list as well:

(a) why did it take 40 years for The Red Filth to organise a proper fund-raiser for the families affected by the Munich air disaster?
(b) why did it have to be the supporters who paid for it with the 'testimonial match'?
(c) why did the Cantona entourage earn more in payment than the survivors and their families?
(d) how was it that lot secured the nod to be one of the 1966 World Cup grounds ahead of City, which had a superior ground altogether in Maine Road, with 32000 seats in situ, approximately 40% more that at Old Trafford, with first class (for the time) floodlighting and similar transport links?
(e) how much taxpayer money has been pumped into that place over the years (and not just the building of the first cantilever stand for the 1966 World Cup)?
(f) what about the way in which that awful club has abused its power (along with others) to meet its own ends (including the change in sharing attendance receipts, the formation of the Premier League, the threatened formation of the European Super League and so on..)?
(g) how much money has the Glazer family taken out of the club in dividend payments (well North of £1bn in my estimation) all the while neglecting the upkeep of the ground they'd have us believe is 'so important'?

And so on and so on..

As you say in your post, just even floating the idea that there might be taxpayer funding under the guise of 'Levelling Up' for this purpose is an appalling, distasteful thing to suggest. Like with all the things that bunch of no-marks has been up to over the years, the people behind it have got their puppets in the press already trying to rally support for their grand purpose.

'Bunch of chancers' indeed..
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Brilliant post John,and perfectly summed up by the softening up job that has started in the media,and to get everyone onside with the idea that it’s ok for tax payers to foot the bill,and the reason that so called journalists don’t go digging and write article’s is quite simply they are being paid to ONLY produce positive articles on these chancers,money talks and bullshit walks …
 
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