United Thread - 2023/24

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I really fucking hate Fernandes, Garnacho not too far behind, Antony close as well, Martinez right up there. That team is full of horrible dislikeable cunts!
I honestly find them (players and fans alike) more dislikeable now than back when they were dominant and winning everything.

The fans are just as arrogant as ever with zero humility and the players are even more dirty, snide, entitled and disrespectful now than they were under the Pisscan.
 
I see Sky are still showing the most overrated goal of the season on their "Anything you want..." promo montage.

The commercial itself as a whole don't interest me in wanting to subscribe.
 
How many players were actually sent off retrospectively.
I only remember Aguero.
That reeked of corruption.
There was that red for Torsten Frings at the 2006 world cup after Germany and Argentina players got into a "melee".

Still, that's only because the Italians were being arseholes insisting on it when they were not even involved, as a RAI TV camera picked it up and sent it to FIFA.
 
There was that red for Torsten Frings at the 2006 world cup after Germany and Argentina players got into a "melee".

Still, that's only because the Italians were being arseholes insisting on it when they were not even involved, as a RAI TV camera picked it up and sent it to FIFA.
Has anyone mentioned SWPs retrospective 3 match ban after t Stoke away against Delap which was sponsored by a obsessed MSM campaign
 
Loads of plays have got retrospective bans though. It doesn’t tend to happen now VAR is in place though.

They were common before it though.
Yes but they were players who were not carded during a game but retrospectively given a red. I was referring to players who were given a yellow that was later upgraded to a red after the game. It only happened once and commentators have frequently pointed out, before and since, that this can never happen under PL/FA rules. How many times has a player received a yellow only for commentators to say "He's a lucky boy"?
 
Remember this one (the first on the video) - the David Gill briefed officials retrospectively decided that it was just a coming together;-

 
The media will put their spin on things when it comes to the Rags to make them happy.

Ragcliffe owns 25% of the football club, Apparently he's in charge of the "football side of things"...Yet he wants taxpayers to buy him a new stadium.

The Glazers are still top dogs at the shithole as they are the majority stakeholders.

Only time will tell if the scruffy fucker will put his own money where his mouth is.

The thing is: I cant see how he puts his own money in other than as another loan. Can you imagine how that would go down?

He can't buy more shares, the money would just go to the people selling again. I suppose the PLC could issue more shares to Ratcliffe, but that dilutes the existing shareholders and would be difficult I imagine. He could invest in the UK football company, but I guess that would also involve complex shareholder agreements in the US?

I suppose he could finance, build and own a new stadium himself and rent it to the club. But again, how would that go down?

It's looking like more and more loans is the most likely ....
 
Fucking hell you do like to labour a point don't you? What does a takeover mean to you? Here's one of the many definitions out there. They all basically say the same thing.

" A takeover occurs when one company makes a successful bid to assume control of or acquire another."

The media are constantly saying he's taken over Manchester United. He hasn't. Whatever role he has in the club is irrelevant, he hasn't acquired it or taken it over. If they said he's taken over the footballing side of the club that's probably correct but it's a different thing altogether than what they're implying.

I wonder what actual legal basis there is to him "taking over the football side". There must be something contracted or the Glazers could just remove that "right" as they still have their 75%.
 
And "football" wonders why there are discipline problems between referees and players, and a lack of respect.

They should caution players like this whenever they cheat and whenever they show dissent. Fernandes would be cautioned at least once every game. He would miss loads through suspension, and only then would he be made to think about his behaviour.

Instead, football authorities seek to address their clear on-field disciplinary problems with ideas like blue cards, which would disrupt games and spoil the enjoyment of fans. Just make the referees enforce the laws they already have in place. You rarely see referees command authority anymore.

You rarely see them make any howlers, and yet we have VAR .....
 
Couple of rags in work are shitting it about Sunday. They think we will overrun their midfield if Casemiro plays.

You can actually see him decline further on the pitch and every time he plays.

I know we've not been playing great but I think we'll give them a right twatting

It's a derby and on paper we should but I can't remember the last time we comfortably gave any team a twatting. 3-1 away at Brentford looks comfortable but it wasn't. It may have been if their keeper hadn't played like Gordon Banks in his prime, but even then they missed a few chances themselves.
 
I wonder what actual legal basis there is to him "taking over the football side". There must be something contracted or the Glazers could just remove that "right" as they still have their 75%.

I don't think there has been anything actually said he has "Taken over the football side." That just seems to be the consensus of opinion. He's been pushed into the spotlight and spouting off about everything as if he owns the club but he doesn't. Unless I've missed something he owns 25%. It's just a pr drive by the Glazers for him to do this as the rag fans think he's the white in shining armour come to rescue them. It gets the fans off their back for a bit.
 
Yes but they were players who were not carded during a game but retrospectively given a red. I was referring to players who were given a yellow that was later upgraded to a red after the game. It only happened once and commentators have frequently pointed out, before and since, that this can never happen under PL/FA rules. How many times has a player received a yellow only for commentators to say "He's a lucky boy"?
Retrospective red cards were commonplace before VAR. Are you Clarkieing me here?
 
Retrospective red cards were commonplace before VAR. Are you Clarkieing me here?
Only if the referee hadn't seen the incident though, as far as I'm aware. I don't remember any other incident where the authorities upgraded a yellow to a red after the fact, because that was seen as re-refereeing the game. They could only do it for situations the referee missed. Most City fans at the time couldn't really argue that the challenge deserved a ban, the main point of contention was that they seemingly changed the rules for it.
 
Only if the referee hadn't seen the incident though, as far as I'm aware. I don't remember any other incident where the authorities upgraded a yellow to a red after the fact, because that was seen as re-refereeing the game. They could only do it for situations the referee missed. Most City fans at the time couldn't really argue that the challenge deserved a ban, the main point of contention was that they seemingly changed the rules for it.
It always depended what was in the match report though, didn’t it?
 
It always depended what was in the match report though, didn’t it?
In a sense. If it was clear from the match report that the referee didn't see the incident, then they could issue a retrospective ban. But it's hard to argue that a referee who issued a yellow card for a foul didn't see it. As far as I know, that is still the rule.

All of this is just my understanding of things though. Could be bollocks.

In Thatcher's case, the referee could probably have argued that he gave a yellow for the lateness and strength of the tackle, but missed the elbow, and so that would be reasonable grounds to upgrade it.
 
In a sense. If it was clear from the match report that the referee didn't see the incident, then they could issue a retrospective ban. But it's hard to argue that a referee who issued a yellow card for a foul didn't see it. As far as I know, that is still the rule.

All of this is just my understanding of things though. Could be bollocks.

In Thatcher's case, the referee could probably have argued that he gave a yellow for the lateness and strength of the tackle, but missed the elbow, and so that would be reasonable grounds to upgrade it.
I’d have to watch it again too. I think we’re pretty much on the same page.
 
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