United Thread | 2025/26

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mancboy said:
My vision is not blinkered at all, i will admit world class when the term is applicable but for him its not even applicable when you put quotation marks around it, even if you take out the moodiness and going missing constantly on a purely talent level he just simply isnt there and thats nothing to do with him playing for the rags or not, the term world class is banded about too loosely to be honest and there isnt that many world class players, kdb, yaya and silva were, currently in the pl salah and van disney were but have fallen off a bit this season, donnaruma is and phil could be, im not sure arsenal have one world class player albeit they do have some very very good players.
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Legend is an ambiguous term. Andy Morrison is a legend of our club but he hardly won any trophies.
 
I know it goes against the grain but I quite like Amorim. Comes across as a decent guy who is on a hiding to nothing. He’s a good coach just at a circus of a club with mediocre players who won’t adapt to the way he wants to play.

He doesn’t slag us off or get sly digs in and fronts up a lot to the media. I also like the way he sticks to his principles and way of playing. Will probably cost him his job but he will do well somewhere else.
 
Bobby the blue said:
I know it goes against the grain but I quite like Amorim. Comes across as a decent guy who is on a hiding to nothing. He’s a good coach just at a circus of a club with mediocre players who won’t adapt to the way he wants to play.

He doesn’t slag us off or get sly digs in and fronts up a lot to the media. I also like the way he sticks to his principles and way of playing. Will probably cost him his job but he will do well somewhere else.
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That's the spirit! None of this doom-and-gloom, "when are they going to sack him?" stuff.
 
Bobby the blue said:
I know it goes against the grain but I quite like Amorim. Comes across as a decent guy who-
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Bobby the blue said:
I know it goes against the grain but I quite like Amorim. Comes across as a decent guy who is on a hiding to nothing. He’s a good coach just at a circus of a club with mediocre players who won’t adapt to the way he wants to play.

He doesn’t slag us off or get sly digs in and fronts up a lot to the media. I also like the way he sticks to his principles and way of playing. Will probably cost him his job but he will do well somewhere else.
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I think he feels he has been shafted by the club, fans, media. He didnt want to come to utd mid season, agreed to do that anyway, saw how much of a clusterfuck United are and now its his fault! I dont think we have got to see how good or bad he is as aa manager because "its united". So many leave that club and are actually better than they were.

I hope he screws that club and team for everything he can.
 
Bobby the blue said:
I know it goes against the grain but I quite like Amorim. Comes across as a decent guy who is on a hiding to nothing. He’s a good coach just at a circus of a club with mediocre players who won’t adapt to the way he wants to play.

He doesn’t slag us off or get sly digs in and fronts up a lot to the media. I also like the way he sticks to his principles and way of playing. Will probably cost him his job but he will do well somewhere else.
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I sort of know what you mean. He definitely gives off useless clueless idiot, rabbit in headlights vibes.

He looks like a bloke who's won a competition to manage them for a day, or accidentally ended up in the job.

Reminds me a bit of the time that taxi driver was interviewed live on BBC news about the new iPhone as he walked into the wrong room and they thought he was the tech expert they booked, or that Spurs fan who was dragged onto the bench by Tim Sherwood after mouthing off in the stands.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I think he feels he has been shafted by the club, fans, media. He didnt want to come to utd mid season, agreed to do that anyway, saw how much of a clusterfuck United are and now its his fault! I dont think we have got to see how good or bad he is as aa manager because "its united". So many leave that club and are actually better than they were.

I hope he screws that club and team for everything he can.
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Blue tinted glasses off, there's an argument that none of their post-bacon chops managers have been terrible. Chopping and changing the manager every 5 minutes isn't going to solve their problems as the rot is much higher up.

Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho - looking at it objectively these are not stupid guys or crap managers.
 
Bobby the blue said:
I know it goes against the grain but I quite like Amorim. Comes across as a decent guy who is on a hiding to nothing. He’s a good coach just at a circus of a club with mediocre players who won’t adapt to the way he wants to play.

He doesn’t slag us off or get sly digs in and fronts up a lot to the media. I also like the way he sticks to his principles and way of playing. Will probably cost him his job but he will do well somewhere else.
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I completely agree, it’s nice to see a gentleman willing to relegate them with a smile on his face. He’s not blaming anyone, he’s just trying to get rich by failing. I did a similar thing once where I had a contract that if paid up was life changing by getting a huge lump sum tax free. You just have to swallow your pride & be a dick until the moneys in the bank.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
I sort of know what you mean. He definitely gives off useless clueless idiot, rabbit in headlights vibes.

He looks like a bloke who's won a competition to manage them for a day, or accidentally ended up in the job.

Reminds me a bit of the time that taxi driver was interviewed live on BBC news about the new iPhone as he walked into the wrong room and they thought he was the tech expert they booked, or that Spurs fan who was dragged onto the bench by Tim Sherwood after mouthing off in the stands.
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Any links ? Love to see that !!!
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Blue tinted glasses off, there's an argument that none of their post-bacon chops managers have been terrible. Chopping and changing the manager every 5 minutes isn't going to solve their problems as the rot is much higher up.

Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho - looking at it objectively these are not stupid guys or crap managers.
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The problem for them is that they had a manager, who was a force of nature, that regularly got extraordinary performances out of often ordinary players, played a simple but effective system and had the players to make the most of that system.

That brought sustained success in an era where there really wasn't much competition. Wenger was probably the only manager who came close, and both were given a long-term platform to build on. Baconface did it for a good few years even under the Glazers (but I know he wasn't happy with them).

That success spoiled them though and they thought they had an entitlement to it. And when the success wasn't repeated, they changed the manager regularly instead of giving them the same platform they gave Ferguson, with a chance to rebuild. And now they've got a mish-mash of a squad bought by various managers over the last few years without any coherence. It's not easy to change a mismatched squad on 5-year contracts when the manager might only get 12-18 months.

If they think Amorim's system will be effective then they have to give him at least 3 seasons, because that's the minimum time it takes to get a squad the way a manager wants it.
 
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Bobby the blue said:
I know it goes against the grain but I quite like Amorim. Comes across as a decent guy who is on a hiding to nothing. He’s a good coach just at a circus of a club with mediocre players who won’t adapt to the way he wants to play.

He doesn’t slag us off or get sly digs in and fronts up a lot to the media. I also like the way he sticks to his principles and way of playing. Will probably cost him his job but he will do well somewhere else.
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I'm with you on this. He seems a pretty decent, likeable guy. The fact that he's doing so badly there just endears him to me more.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I think he feels he has been shafted by the club, fans, media. He didnt want to come to utd mid season, agreed to do that anyway, saw how much of a clusterfuck United are and now its his fault! I dont think we have got to see how good or bad he is as aa manager because "its united". So many leave that club and are actually better than they were.

I hope he screws that club and team for everything he can.
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I think he's done a good job of cutting off his nose to spite his face. Every successful manager has the ability to chop and change formations, to adapt to the opposition. Keeping them guessing. Coming out second half with a different formation.

Amorim has given away his formation for the entire season. You can train all week on how to catch them out. He's not going to do anything different. Even after half time when 2-0 down, he won't change it.

This is the definition of insanity. Repeating the same mistakes, over and over, and expecting a different outcome.

In the derby, that last goal. Their entire team was in City's half. One ball over the top and Haaland was clean through on goal. Brentford's first goal was identical. They were probably practicing that move all week. They are so easy to suss out. It is suicide to keep playing the same way and making no efforts to change or prevent it from re-occurring.

Come 2nd November, when his severance pay drops from 12m to 4m he is gone. So there's another 4 weeks of this comedy to come.
 
Citi-leaks said:
I think he's done a good job of cutting off his nose to spite his face. Every successful manager has the ability to chop and change formations, to adapt to the opposition. Keeping them guessing. Coming out second half with a different formation.

Amorim has given away his formation for the entire season. You can train all week on how to catch them out. He's not going to do anything different. Even after half time when 2-0 down, he won't change it.
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I don't think anyone in football actually cares about the opposition knowing their formation. Pep started his managerial career playing 433 for 300+ consecutive games before he started experimenting at Bayern and if an opposition manager planned for us to be 433 they'd be right 99% of the time. Pep hasnt' really vaired formations much since 17/18 - we attack in 3241 and we defend in 433 or 442.

The issue is he doesn't have the players for the formation he wants to use and refuses to adapt because he's made it an issue of his authority. It feels very sunk-cost, he can't change now because if he does, everyone who suggested he should change 12 months ago would be proven right, but of course that just makes him look even weaker.

Given the choice between playing 433 and dominating possession or sitting in a low block and relying on counter attacks, Pep would choose 433 all day every day, but he knows we don't have the team to do that at Arsenal right now, so he adapted to give us the best chance of winning.

I think Amorim is just miles out of his depth. Sporting was his first job, he didn't even have a coaching license when he started there, and now he simply doesn't have the tools or experience to adapt when his plan A isn't working.
 
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