US & Israel attack Iran

oldius said:
The US get right on my tits.
I was born in 1968, and they have been involved in more wars than any nation I can think of during that time. I cannot think of a positive long-term outcome to the wars they have been involved in, and our support of them has brought some terror to our streets.
It is not for them to unilaterally decide to attack another nation.
It is not for them to impose leadership on a nation.
To have Netanyahu by their side as a moral ally is preposterous, standing as he does as the commander of a nation slaughtering 72,000 Gazans in the last two years alone.
To have Trump leading the way, convicted felon and sex-abuser that he is, acting as moral judge over the world's regimes, is equally offensive.
It is absolutely time for us to completely abandon the US and Israel as historic allies. I foresee nothing but trouble if we continue to support their heinous acts.
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100% you could add that the leader of American also slacked of our troops saying we took a back seat in Afghanistan. Im also sick of American thinking they are the world's police force.
 
Ho Chi Man City said:
The younger generation of Iran are the empowered here, they can thrive without this despot regime, there’s a good chance they’ll embrace this opportunity.

Before the uprising in 1979 “Persia” was a growing economy, although Islamic in identity (like the UAE) it was a place of opportunity. A friend of mine (English) was a Dancer in a nightclub in Tehran, she loved it but had to get out pronto after the Shah was deposed.

The UAE, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc had proved Islam can work alongside a secular population, something the hardliners in Iran could never accept, I hope it ends well for the people of Iran/Persia.
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And we’re back to betting on a ‘good chance’. The structure that supports the repression, the Clerics, the Revolutionary Guard, is still intact. It may collapse, it may not. This attack may lead to a positive change in leadership or it may descend into a protracted and brutal civil war which further destabilises the region.

You ‘hope’ it ends well for Iranians, well we all hope it ends well, but hope isn’t a strategy. We’ve been here enough times to know that.
 
oldius said:
Hand it to whom?
Zack Polanski is a breath of fresh air in my view, and speaks of issues that affect us all: inequality, taxation, public services and the terror inflicted by Israel. Those issues unite, because ALL of us are affected by them.
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Let him have it then.... his vision of a future Britain is very different to mine and I suspect many others, The last thing we need now is radical solutions.
 
It would be nice if Shitgibbon lived up to the image he’s trying to portray for himself by giving Ukraine the weapons it needs to take out the dwarf **** in Moscow. We all know that’s not happening and we all know why.
 
oldius said:
Hand it to whom?
Zack Polanski is a breath of fresh air in my view, and speaks of issues that affect us all: inequality, taxation, public services and the terror inflicted by Israel. Those issues unite because ALL of us are affected by them. Avoiding speaking about them is to the detriment of the main parties.
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They just asked him how he would deal with the situation. His response was, summed up as, "I don't know".

Some leader. He's full of the same soundbites and phrases that get people clapping without any actual plan as to how to execute them. It's Reformesque, anyone can do that. "I'm going to bring about the change we need in this country!" How, and what specifically needs changing? "I'll get back to you on that!"

Let's be real, I voted Green in the G&D by-election to keep Reform out, that's all. I don't want the Greens anywhere near running the country. Right now they're under the microscope, locally; i'll see how good they are at addressing the issues in the area, potholes, fly-tipping, drug deals, fallowfield loop scrotes etc.
 
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Palerider said:
He's just given an absolute car wreck of an interview to Laura Kuensberg on the BBC. His hate for Israel has meant that he would rather the Ayotallah stayed in position and killed and terrorised his own people than "Free Iran". Absolute joke.
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Yep, watched it. He was all over the place. Hating the Israeli regime for what it did in Gaza (and is still doing) is understandable.
Throwing in your lot with their enemies when they do the exact same thing is a weird take.

Zack went full "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". No Zack, the enemy of your enemy is STILL your enemy.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
and the post collapse plan is? no I thought not.
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When did the US ever have one of those?
I can't tell you the hair that UK defence specialists have lost over the years telling the US that post conflict support and military deployments are more important than "winning" the initial conflict.
 
Giovinco said:
Hoping this turns out to be a new start for Iran

Great people they deserve the best
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The history of Western involvement in the region is not a happy one. The problem has always been that creation of countries like Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan and the partition of the British mandate in Palestine were arbitrarily done, cynical and rewarded British & French allies rather than supporting self-determination. Same in Africa and South and SE Asia particularly in the partition of India) in many instances.

However Iran/Persia has always been relatively homogeneous, rather than being an unstable collection of competing tribal and religious elements. In places like Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, one clan or group established control and maintained that autocratically. When that autocracy was removed, there was conflict and chaos. We even saw this in Europe, with the fracturing of Yugoslavia after Tito died and the splintering of the old Soviet union. One problem is that many of these places don't have a history of the democratic processes that we in the West take for granted.

The US has never been known for its longer-term thinking but I'd like to think that Iran would be better placed for a transition to a more democratic solution than the other countries mentioned.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
But that’s whatevs — the bigger issue is that the men who orchestrated this likely haven’t thought through the consequences, especially my President. I have 40 years of data that proves that he almost never has, other than how it impacts him of course. So I’ll restrain my joy, as logic and experience suggest I should.
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I agree to an extent here.
I think the policy makers and advisers have a thought out strategy. I agree it’s more than likely Krasnov will just stick his finger in the air and follow whatever he believes will massage his humongous ego.
 
Metal Biker said:
They just asked him how he would deal with the situation. His response was, summed up as, "I don't know".

Some leader. He's full of the same soundbites and phrases that get people clapping without any actual plan as to how to execute them. It's Reformesque, anyone can do that. "I'm going to bring about the change we need in this country!" How, and what specifically needs changing? "I'll get back to you on that!"

Let's be real, I voted Green in the G&D by-election to keep Reform out, that's all. I don't want the Greens anywhere near running the country. Right now they're under the microscope, locally; i'll see how good they are at addressing the issues in the area, potholes, fly-tipping, drug deals, fallowfield loop scrotes etc.
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Great post
Biggest issue now in British politics is we are voting to keep people out as opposed to elect people in.
That and the fact the choices we have are awful

It’s easy saying all this stuff when there is zero chance of ever having to do it.
 
Metal Biker said:
People were executed or imprisoned for questioning it. They have 'Morality Police' roaming the streets ready to beat or rape young women for being dressed immodestly. Execution for consumption of alcohol. Persecution of ethnic and religious backgrounds. The printing, sale or reading of the Bible or non-Islamic texts is illegal and punishable by torture. To name but a few.

Yeah, It was an evil regime.
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But more female politicians, engineers and trans women than Europe or the US by percentage of population which I always found slightly strange.

The ruling regime were certainly cunts other own people however, but I don’t think one could call it an empire.
 
Tb1981 said:
Great post
Biggest issue now in British politics is we are voting to keep people out as opposed to elect people in.
That and the fact the choices we have are awful

It’s easy saying all this stuff when there is zero chance of ever having to do it.
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I'll start showing support for Labour again when Starmer fucks off and takes the likes of Lammy, Mahmood, Thornberry, Reeves, Streeting, Cooper and Nandy with him.
 
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