US & Israel attack Iran

Metal Biker said:
The regime itself was slaughtering their own people for 'disobeying' their draconian rule.

It sounds like you don't even understand what the hell has been going on over there! You can be executed for consuming alcohol! Women are subjected for beatings for not adhering to dress codes!
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If you want to learn about Draconian rule, then refer to the Shah regime

Human Rights Abuses in Shahist Iran | Encyclopedia.com

Human Rights Abuses in Shahist IranReport By: Amnesty InternationalDate: November 1976Source: "Human Rights Abuses in Shahist Iran," Amnesty International Briefing: Iran. Amnesty International, November 1976. Source for information on Human Rights Abuses in Shahist Iran: Human and Civil Rights...
www.encyclopedia.com www.encyclopedia.com

Here’s a quote:

Alleged methods of torture include whipping and beating, electric shocks, the extraction of nails and teeth, boiling water pumped into the rectum, heavy weights hung on the testicles, tying the prisoner to a metal table heated to white heat, inserting a broken bottle into the anus, and rape.

That Shah regime agency was established in 1967, assisted by none other than…Mossad.
 
cucumberman said:
If you want to learn about Draconian rule, then refer to the Shah regime

Human Rights Abuses in Shahist Iran | Encyclopedia.com

Human Rights Abuses in Shahist IranReport By: Amnesty InternationalDate: November 1976Source: "Human Rights Abuses in Shahist Iran," Amnesty International Briefing: Iran. Amnesty International, November 1976. Source for information on Human Rights Abuses in Shahist Iran: Human and Civil Rights...
www.encyclopedia.com www.encyclopedia.com

Here’s a quote:

Alleged methods of torture include whipping and beating, electric shocks, the extraction of nails and teeth, boiling water pumped into the rectum, heavy weights hung on the testicles, tying the prisoner to a metal table heated to white heat, inserting a broken bottle into the anus, and rape.

That Shah regime agency was established in 1967, assisted by none other than…Mossad.
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Which no longer exists, so why bring it up.

We're on about the current regime. This goalpost shifting really doesn't help keep the conversation in focus. The Ayatollah Regime was murdering it's own civilians for refusing to adhere to their draconian laws. People protested, and they started slaughtering even more. 30,000 in two months, that we know of.

Let's keep it to current events and not drag up history, which at this moment in time is irrelevent to the CURRENT suffering and atrocities being committed in Iran (who adopted the exact same and even way worse tortures in present time, so again, I don't understand why you're talking about the Shah).
 
Metal Biker said:
Which no longer exists, so why bring it up.

We're on about the current regime. This goalpost shifting really doesn't help keep the conversation in focus. The Ayatollah Regime was murdering it's own civilians for refusing to adhere to their draconian laws. People protested, and they started slaughtering even more. 30,000 in two months, that we know of.

Let's keep it to current events and not drag up history, which at this moment in time is irrelevent to the CURRENT suffering and atrocities being committed in Iran (who adopted the exact same and even way worse tortures in present time, so again, I don't understand why you're talking about the Shah).
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The official account of being killed by Human Rights Amnesty Watch was 5400+. The 30,000 is still inconclusive because it was indicated by TIME article whose 3 authors were exiled Iranians, and their one source of information was data research by Dr. Prasanta, based in Munich Germany.

Hence why the post by Nima Paslar, who is a friend of a blue here, can post an official account of how many.

5000+ is still one too many, regardless.
 
Metal Biker said:
Which no longer exists, so why bring it up.

We're on about the current regime. This goalpost shifting really doesn't help keep the conversation in focus. The Ayatollah Regime was murdering it's own civilians for refusing to adhere to their draconian laws. People protested, and they started slaughtering even more. 30,000 in two months, that we know of.

Let's keep it to current events and not drag up history, which at this moment in time is irrelevent to the CURRENT suffering and atrocities being committed in Iran (who adopted the exact same and even way worse tortures in present time, so again, I don't understand why you're talking about the Shah).
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Just post “the ends justify the means” over and over.
 
cucumberman said:
The official account of being killed by Human Rights Amnesty Watch was 5400+. The 30,000 is still inconclusive because it was indicated by TIME article whose 3 authors were exiled Iranians, and their one source of information was data research by Dr. Prasanta, based in Munich Germany.

Hence why the post by Nima Paslar, who is a friend of a blue here, can post an official account of how many.

5000+ is still one too many, regardless.
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Reports vary
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198

Because they aren't interviewing doctors, morgues, first responders etc.

Imagine playing down death figures to argue a point. Good grief!
 
Metal Biker said:
The regime itself was slaughtering their own people for 'disobeying' their draconian rule.

It sounds like you don't even understand what the hell has been going on over there! You can be executed for consuming alcohol! Women are subjected for beatings for not adhering to dress codes!
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Should we invade America if ICE gets out of control and continues harming its own citizens? Couple of weeks ago they shot a male nurse in cold blood.
 
Metal Biker said:
Reports vary
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198

Because they aren't interviewing doctors, morgues, first responders etc.

Imagine playing down death figures to argue a point. Good grief!
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It’s a bonkers perspective you’ve done well to entertain it for so long mate. It’s like arguing that Fred West was a decent sort of chap by comparing him to Michael Ryan.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Should we invade America if ICE gets out of control and continues harming its own citizens? Couple of weeks ago they shot a male nurse in cold blood.
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Jesus wept....

WE didn't invade Iran! America has a democratic process to remove the current administration. Iranians posses no such power over the ex-Ayatollah and the current regime.
 
metalblue said:
It’s a bonkers perspective you’ve done well to entertain it for so long mate. It’s like arguing that Fred West was a decent sort of chap by comparing him to Michael Ryan.
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Those last few are my limit, bud! ;D
 
Metal Biker said:
Reports vary
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198

Because they aren't interviewing doctors, morgues, first responders etc.

Imagine playing down death figures to argue a point. Good grief!
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Not playing it down. 30,000 is still the possible probability, but for now the confirmation is inconclusive. Which is best from an insider’s perspective. Not from an outsider’s view.
 
Metal Biker said:
So what should have happened?

The regime continues slaughtering the protestors and dissenters in their tens of thousands until they're all gone?
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This is the same argument people made for regime change in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.

No one liked the previous leaders of those countries just like no one likes/liked Irans leaders now.

What people are concerned about is what happens now and after.

America has shown that it's good at dropping bombs but awful at planning for what comes after and the unintended consequences.
 
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