With any luck whatsoever, you'll come around to the realization that an attack on Iran designed to foster regime change without troops on the ground is going to fail - and that an attack featuring troops on the ground is going to fail with massive domestic casualties.I do. I will take RUSI and other prominent media reports over your “available “ facts
Seems like a targeted drone attack rather than accidental.They are attacking air bases in the region and the missiles are being shot down by defence systems and landing where they land.
Just let them die? When the Iranian people themselves went online and pleaded to the West to help them? (Before the Ayatollah shut down their internet). When Iranians in Western countries do their best to highlight the slaughter going on in that country? THEY are asking US in the West for help.My solution - stay the fuck out of this mess, unless Iran was really on the cusp of developing nuclear weapons.
Why? Not because I lack empathy for the average Iranian citizen - but instead, that every single time Western nations attempt to engage in regime change - it's a fucking huge disaster.
People are affected by what they see and hear. It is not unreasonable to say that the continual slaughter of the innocent in Gaza has an impact on people around the world, and on global peace. We don't live in a vacuum, and we see news with unfiltered immediacy in our inboxes.That's a complete deflection from what I asked. The only terror that's affected the UK and its electorate, including you, has come from Islamic fundamentalists. How many Israelis have blown themselves up and 22 others up in the centre of Manchester, or murdered worshippers at their place of worship in North Manchester? Or blown themselves and others up on buses and tube trains? Answer - none.
Do you think the Americans should go into North Korea?Just let them die? When the Iranian people themselves went online and pleaded to the West to help them? (Before the Ayatollah shut down their internet). When Iranians in Western countries do their best to highlight the slaughter going on in that country? THEY are asking US in the West for help.
The Iranian people needed help removing the regime that was calling the shots. By the sounds of it, a huge chunk of that regime is gone and now in chaos. The people on the streets of Iran will begin to reclaim their streets from the oppressors, who are now left leaderless and directionless. I would not want to be a member of the Revolutionary Guard who was guilty of committing atrocities in this new Iran.
I already know that but that has nothing to do with Putin having something on TrumpWith any luck whatsoever, you'll come around to the realization that an attack on Iran designed to foster regime change without troops on the ground is going to fail - and that an attack featuring troops on the ground is going to fail with massive domestic casualties.
I applaud your empathy for Iran.Just let them die? When the Iranian people themselves went online and pleaded to the West to help them? (Before the Ayatollah shut down their internet). When Iranians in Western countries do their best to highlight the slaughter going on in that country? THEY are asking US in the West for help.
The Iranian people needed help removing the regime that was calling the shots. By the sounds of it, a huge chunk of that regime is gone and now in chaos. The people on the streets of Iran will begin to reclaim their streets from the oppressors, who are now left leaderless and directionless. I would not want to be a member of the Revolutionary Guard who was guilty of committing atrocities in this new Iran.
The US have a signficant history of targeting civilians and Israel wipe out entire cities. I guess those are legitimate war tactics though, because they are 'Western' nations.Look up the definition of terrorism for yourself?
If your struggling to workout which side has a history of deliberately targeting civilians let me know
I applaud your empathy for Iran.
But what is it going to take to bring about regime change?
It's going to take, first of all, a bombing campaign.
Next, it's going to take a massive deployment of ground troops.
Finally, it's going to take decades of ground troop occupation to slowly build the governance you seek. Meanwhile, 33% of the population or so is going to be so adverse to your occupation that daily suicide bombings and attacks are inevitable.
The end result is that you''ll eventually withdraw from Iran after massive losses - and with the country no better off.
Regime change needs to come from within.
A bombing campaign? You HAVE seen the protests, right? The number of people wanting change is enormous. 30k+ being executed should tell you how brave these people are, and they are still protesting.I applaud your empathy for Iran.
But what is it going to take to bring about regime change?
It's going to take, first of all, a bombing campaign.
Next, it's going to take a massive deployment of ground troops.
Finally, it's going to take decades of ground troop occupation to slowly build the governance you seek. Meanwhile, 33% of the population or so is going to be so adverse to your occupation that daily suicide bombings and attacks are inevitable.
The end result is that you''ll eventually withdraw from Iran after massive losses - and with the country no better off.
Regime change needs to come from within.
How did that rationale work out in Iraq? Or Afghanistan? FFS... those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.A bombing campaign? You HAVE seen the protests, right? The number of people wanting change is enormous. 30k+ being executed should tell you how brave these people are, and they are still protesting.
The 'troops' are already there; the Iranians themselves. This is Not. Like. Iraq! No IED's, no suicide bombers, no British troops stationed overseas, no security forces, no shitty movies/shows made afterwards.
They've taken out the ones giving the orders. The masses who want change outnumber the sycophants. Does this mean there won't be any violence? No, of course not. Bigots will fight to preserve their oppressive regime. But they are heavily outnumbered with no-one to guide them, to finance them, and the Iranian people are pissed. All they need us to do, is step in again should the control shift back towards the oppressors. A couple more accurate missile strikes has easily sorted that out.
You like quotes? Here's another. "The world is not dangerous because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing"How did that rationale work out in Iraq? Or Afghanistan? FFS... those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
FFS - you actually think that the average Afghan or Iraqi wants absolute religious rule? There's little difference between Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran - a sizeable minority of the population are religious zealots who will fight to the death for their views, no matter the odds.You like quotes? Here's another. "The world is not dangerous because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing"
Afghanistan and Iraq are not like Iran. Iranians want this change, and are speaking out in vast numbers. Brave young women defying the Gasht-e Ershad. The Taliban were indirectly funded and supplied by the Ayatollah's regime. Same in Iraq. That's how the militants were able to keep fighting. They're dead now. So who's going to fund the regime?
Starting to see how the situation isn't the same? In both Afghanistan and Iraq and outside force was funding them. The Iranian situation has just eliminated them. They're going to fund themselves from beyond the grave?
Yes there is, you're just showing your bigotry now.FFS - you actually think that the average Afghan or Iraqi wants absolute religious rule? There's little difference between Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran - a sizeable minority of the population are religious zealots who will fight to the death for their views, no matter the odds.
Here's a hint - only 13% or so of Afghans support the Taliban according to a 2019 survey. And every single country trying to change the regime has failed, and failed and failed, for centuries.
Seems like a targeted drone attack rather than accidental.
Bang on. Seems like a great opportunity to invade Iran with ground troops to liberate the oppressed!Yes there is, you're just showing your bigotry now.
For one thing, Iran is twice the population of Afghanistan and is mostly Sunni, whilst Iran is overwhelmingly Shia. Iran is 83rd on the GDP list, and Afghanistan is officially the poorest country in the world. The cultures are different, the society is different and the resolve is different.