US & Israel attack Iran

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

The last I read they were all stuck in maintenance or refit in Portsmouth, except HMS Duncan which is only now heading east.

They could have provided air defence to Cyprus but instead the Greek Navy is doing it, pretty damning indecision on the part of the government.

The threat to base on Cyprus needs ships there now. I imagine the Greeks to get there a lot quicker and they are a member NATO. The trip from Portsmouth to Cyprus could take weeks.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Fucking hell!
That reads as "30-35,000 civilian deaths isn't that bad"
And as for the 15,000 would have died anyway. Why would they have died?
Those throw away comments are absolutely outrageous
I'm fucking stunned

I'm going to hate myself for typing this
It's like a member of the SS in Nuremberg saying "yes, we exterminated xxxxx of Jews, but 35% would have starved anyway"

Some people have lost it, and there’s a lot in this thread that will be looked back on, but not in good terms.

 

[dickie davies]

Some people have lost it, and there’s a lot in this thread that will be looked back on, but not in good terms.

I feel sick in my stomach that such a respected member of this forum posted that

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Give me a break. You stated that you supported the attack on Iran to kill Ayatollah.

Back-pedalling already?

FFS - just admit that you were wrong - and that the attack was a huge fucking mistake.

You're beginning to remind me of PirateSoftware (look it up on Google if you're not familiar with this person).

I stated nothing of the sort.

I stated I'm glad he's dead. Nothing more.

If this thread is just going to devolve into another outrage echo chamber there's no point anyone putting their views across is it.

"BE AS OUTRAGED AS ME ABOUT THE SAME THINGS I AM OUTRAGED ON OR I'LL CAST SHAME ON THEE!"

FFS - you sound like Trump.

I'm glad he's dead - in a fucking vacuum - idiotically unaware of the consequences.

And then post after fucking idiotic post in support of the attack.

Look - if you really have second doubts - say so. You're still an idiot for supporting the attack - but you can salvage some sort of mea culpa - redemption - if, in hindsight, you now have reservations about the attack given the consequences.

Whereas you are now engaged in a PirateSoftware campaign of denial - no I don't support Trump - no I don't support the attack - yes I'm aware of the consequences of the attack and so on

Which... anyone with a functioning brain cell won't believe.

 

[BlueTG]

Yet you allow the usual suspects to post these on here without sanction. Nice one, Ric.

How about you ban the posting of these, and just allow people to post their thoughts, unsupported by unverified propaganda videos? Then at least you could show you have more integrity than Musk.

You’d be one of the first be banned, then.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I feel sick in my stomach that such a respected member of this forum posted that

Some of the opinions are abhorrent and I find this thread, and others of this nature, very hard to read.

 

[cookster]

That's a very stupid post but I know which side you're on. I'm wasting my time therefore but I'll point out some stats. The Holocaust exterminated about a third of the global Jewish population. I think we can agree that was clearly about race, therefore genocidal.

Let's say 70,000 were killed in Gaza. About 20-25k of those were direct or indirect combatants and about another 15k would have died anyway, from disease or other natural causes, according to the normal death rate over the period since October 2023.

That leaves about 30-35k civilian deaths due to Israeli action, which is maybe 1.5% of the Gaza population. There are another 3m Palestinians living in the West Bank. While all those deaths are regrettable (and were unnecessary) If this was truly about race, and an intent to exterminate Gazans, do you not think that figure would have been much, much higher?

Forget the moral high ground and stick to finance.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Some of the opinions are abhorrent and I find this thread, and others of this nature, very hard to read.

And I agree.

Which means that voting in your upcoming elections - UK, USA, or wherever is so, so important.

Reject Trump - or support him full on - in the USA - reject or support candidates for office outside the USA - either aligned with Trump or opposed.

Your vote for or against couldn't matter more.

 

[Pedestrian]

That's a very stupid post but I know which side you're on. I'm wasting my time therefore but I'll point out some stats. The Holocaust exterminated about a third of the global Jewish population. I think we can agree that was clearly about race, therefore genocidal.

Let's say 70,000 were killed in Gaza. About 20-25k of those were direct or indirect combatants and about another 15k would have died anyway, from disease or other natural causes, according to the normal death rate over the period since October 2023.

That leaves about 30-35k civilian deaths due to Israeli action, which is maybe 1.5% of the Gaza population. There are another 3m Palestinians living in the West Bank. While all those deaths are regrettable (and were unnecessary) If this was truly about race, and an intent to exterminate Gazans, do you not think that figure would have been much, much higher?

You need a break fella. You’ve become a complete ****.

 

[Vic]

Yep. The utter hypocricy is off the scale.

What's off the scale is silly attempts to say the situations are alike.

Or to pretend that Israel is a benevolent actor in this.

 

[Postman Pep]

I am not interested in going over the same discussion again and again and again!

Apart from repeating the same thing on every fucking page obviously...

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Fucking hell!
That reads as "30-35,000 civilian deaths isn't that bad"
And as for the 15,000 would have died anyway. Why would they have died?
Those throw away comments are absolutely outrageous
I'm fucking stunned

I'm going to hate myself for typing this
It's like a member of the SS in Nuremberg saying "yes, we exterminated xxxxx of Jews, but 35% would have starved anyway"

The response was to an idiot (who's now on Ignore) that claimed it was a racial war to exterminate Gazans. 35,000 deaths is a lot but it's not racial genocide as that cretin was claiming. If it had been, the numbers would have been 10 times or more higher.

 

[Metal Biker]

Apart from repeating the same thing on every fucking page obviously...

People should stop asking me then expecting a different answer

 

[BlueAnorak]

According to the Institute for International Political Studies (ISPI), sources in Tehran reported that in October 2025, Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei had authorised the development of miniaturised nuclear warheads for ballistic missiles, despite denials issued at earlier dates. The report stated that although such warheads would require uranium enriched to 90%, this could be achieved in a matter of weeks if Iran were to process its existing stockpile of 441 kg of 60% uranium with its advanced IR-4; and circulated accounts indicate the existence of an ultra-secret enrichment program at one of Iran's covert nuclear sites, to which the IAEA has not been given access.

I'm leaning to actually believing this one. Iran certainly has 400kg of 60% weapons grade fissile material that can be rapidly enhanced to 90% that can be deployed to the biggest Iranian balistic missile warheads.
The only impediment to delivery is the creation and testing of the warhead delivery system.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10284/#:~:text=Iran%20is%20currently%20enriching%20uranium,deliverable%20nuclear%20weapon%20(weaponisation).

I don't know about any of you but the thought of the current rouge regime in Iran having Nuclear warheads is the stuff of nightmares.

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

I feel sick in my stomach that such a respected member of this forum posted that

His true colours visible for all to see.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Trump is a clueless arsehole.
A war just from the air cannot be won. It's mental that Trump even thinks it can.
Nor can regime change be successful without overwhelming support of the people and the elimination ( imprisonment as a minimum) of former government loyalists.

Just to emphasise this - What the hell did Trump think will happen to the 400kg of 60% enriched fissile material during or after this war without direct involvement on the ground?

 

[BlueRockape]

The response was to an idiot (who's now on Ignore) that claimed it was a racial war to exterminate Gazans. 35,000 deaths is a lot but it's not racial genocide as that cretin was claiming. If it had been, the numbers would have been 10 times or more higher.

You are beyond help.
Denial is a lovely duvet

 

[domalino]

The response was to an idiot (who's now on Ignore) that claimed it was a racial war to exterminate Gazans. 35,000 deaths is a lot but it's not racial genocide as that cretin was claiming. If it had been, the numbers would have been 10 times or more higher.

As you well know genocide is not just limited to total kill count, it’s also to do with ethnic cleansing.

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UN findings point to a systematic effort to render Gaza uninhabitable through the "methodical destruction" of infrastructure, including residential areas, schools, and hospitals, creating conditions incompatible with life. Reports indicate over 85% of the population was displaced by early 2025, with many facing forced, repeated movements.

In addition, the UN report highlights the use of aid restrictions, contributing to widespread hunger. Given the high death toll between late 2024 and 2025, various human rights organizations and experts have labeled the situation a genocide, driven by a goal of permanent demographic change.

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You talk about 35,000 people dying “anyway” completely ignoring the fact the death rate is so high because one country has systematically destroyed all infrastructure and blocked aid and food. A peer reviewed analysis by the Lancet in January 2025 suggested this meant deaths were underreported by 40%.

You’re also aware because you know enough about the topic that tens of thousands will die over the next few years because of the famine and lack of medical care imposed by Israel.


It’s also pretty abhorrent that you limit the numbers to the last 2 years…forgetting the 40 before and the many tens of thousands who have been killed before then.

 

[Gray]

The World is truly Fucked.

 

[ell]

The last I read they were all stuck in maintenance or refit in Portsmouth, except HMS Duncan which is only now heading east.

They could have provided air defence to Cyprus but instead the Greek Navy is doing it, pretty damning indecision on the part of the government.

3 out of 6 in refit, the other 2 are alongside in Portsmouth I believe.

Yes it seemed pretty damning however, I was hoping we had a better reason other than government neglect. Sadly looks like poor decision making once again.