US & Israel attack Iran

Monkfish said:
Still not seen one body, still not seen news reports showing horribly injured children

I see these for Ukraine, Gaza and countless other wars but strangely not in this case, and Middle Eastern countries do not hold back on showing us blood and gore

I have seen a school bag with red on it and that’s it for evidence anything happened? Was anyone actually in that building at all?

see it reposted constantly by those that want to think there was

Question everything, on all sides, mindless reposting is mindless don’t be a useful idiot to anyone’s cause
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There's been loads of articles from the funeral today.
www.aljazeera.com

Iran holds mass funeral for girls, staff killed in US-Israel school attack

Thousands gather in Minab for a mass funeral, chanting against the US and Israel after the school bombing.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
 
domalino said:
As you well know genocide is not just limited to total kill count, it’s also to do with ethnic cleansing.

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UN findings point to a systematic effort to render Gaza uninhabitable through the "methodical destruction" of infrastructure, including residential areas, schools, and hospitals, creating conditions incompatible with life. Reports indicate over 85% of the population was displaced by early 2025, with many facing forced, repeated movements.

In addition, the UN report highlights the use of aid restrictions, contributing to widespread hunger. Given the high death toll between late 2024 and 2025, various human rights organizations and experts have labeled the situation a genocide, driven by a goal of permanent demographic change.

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You talk about 35,000 people dying “anyway” completely ignoring the fact the death rate is so high because one country has systematically destroyed all infrastructure and blocked aid and food. A peer reviewed analysis by the Lancet in January 2025 suggested this meant deaths were underreported by 40%.

You’re also aware because you know enough about the topic that tens of thousands will die over the next few years because of the famine and lack of medical care imposed by Israel.


It’s also pretty abhorrent that you limit the numbers to the last 2 years…forgetting the 40 before and the many tens of thousands who have been killed before then.
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Which all skirts around the questions
A. Why is It a "genocide ". It isn't "ethnic cleansing" because the Arab population on Gaza increased 7x since 1948, and the death rates of around 1%, infrastructure loss etc in the past year typical of war - a war started by the Gazan supported Hamas attack on Israel, incidentally.

The number of dead, loss of infrastructure etc was far higher for say Germany and Japan in WW2.
Was WW2 a war of genocide by the allies against Germany / Japan?

B. The Israelis left Gaza about 10-15 years back, there was no killing, attacks on infrastructure, etc. Their current actions are a response to Arab attempts at genocide of Israeli jews. The.Atabs are - have always been - very open about what they want - actual, literal genocide of Jews.

Why aren't you blaming the Gazans for supporting a genocidal group of fanatics as their leaders, the root cause of the war?

C. You are so upset about "tens of thousands" dead in Gaza but no concern or empathy for millions and millions of dead Hindus / Sikhs in Pakistan, Parsis in Iran, Armenians in Turkey, Yazidis / Jews in various countries, all over the past century and still continuing.

Why do selective about your outrage against "genocide?'
 
robbieh said:
Interestingly a large Jewish community in Iran that hasn't been exterminated. Why?
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Interesting that's what you question, but not the large communities of Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews who have been exterminated across the middle East.

Why don't you ask "why" so many genocides, so little concern for those wailing for the Gazans who started the war to begin with?
 
Strangerepublic said:
Which all skirts around the questions
A. Why is It a "genocide ". It isn't "ethnic cleansing" because the Arab population on Gaza increased 7x since 1948, and the death rates of around 1%, infrastructure loss etc in the past year typical of war - a war started by the Gazan supported Hamas attack on Israel, incidentally.

The number of dead, loss of infrastructure etc was far higher for say Germany and Japan in WW2.
Was WW2 a war of genocide by the allies against Germany / Japan?

B. The Israelis left Gaza about 10-15 years back, there was no killing, attacks on infrastructure, etc. Their current actions are a response to Arab attempts at genocide of Israeli jews. The.Atabs are - have always been - very open about what they want - actual, literal genocide of Jews.

Why aren't you blaming the Gazans for supporting a genocidal group of fanatics as their leaders, the root cause of the war?

C. You are so upset about "tens of thousands" dead in Gaza but no concern or empathy for millions and millions of dead Hindus / Sikhs in Pakistan, Parsis in Iran, Armenians in Turkey, Yazidis / Jews in various countries, all over the past century and still continuing.

Why do selective about your outrage against "genocide?'
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Hmm should we listen to you, or should we listen to all the qualified independent groups that have called it genocide?


...I'm going to go with them thanks.

Didn't read the rest, don't need to waste my time with more pricks defending genocide with their insincere bad faith arguments.
 
Strangerepublic said:
Strangerepublic said:
Interesting that's what you question, but not the large communities of Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews who have been exterminated across the middle East.

Why don't you ask "why" so many genocides, so little concern for those wailing for the Gazans who started the war to begin with?
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You could just say it out loud that all this nonsense is driven by your distaste for the one community you omit ... no need to go all woke right...
Strangerepublic said:
Which all skirts around the questions
A. Why is It a "genocide ". It isn't "ethnic cleansing" because the Arab population on Gaza increased 7x since 1948, and the death rates of around 1%, infrastructure loss etc in the past year typical of war - a war started by the Gazan supported Hamas attack on Israel, incidentally.

The number of dead, loss of infrastructure etc was far higher for say Germany and Japan in WW2.
Was WW2 a war of genocide by the allies against Germany / Japan?

B. The Israelis left Gaza about 10-15 years back, there was no killing, attacks on infrastructure, etc. Their current actions are a response to Arab attempts at genocide of Israeli jews. The.Atabs are - have always been - very open about what they want - actual, literal genocide of Jews.

Why aren't you blaming the Gazans for supporting a genocidal group of fanatics as their leaders, the root cause of the war?

C. You are so upset about "tens of thousands" dead in Gaza but no concern or empathy for millions and millions of dead Hindus / Sikhs in Pakistan, Parsis in Iran, Armenians in Turkey, Yazidis / Jews in various countries, all over the past century and still continuing.

Why do selective about your outrage against "genocide?'
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You can't even select which team you support ... never mind the other nonsense.
 
Postman Pep said:
You could just say it out loud that all this nonsense is driven by your distaste for the one community you omit ... no need to go all woke right...

You can't even select which team you support ... never mind the other nonsense.
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It's funny how often these new posters think they can convince the rest of us they're right by recycling the same shitty arguments we've read 1,000 times before.
 
Strangerepublic said:
"That reads as "30-35,000 civilian deaths isn't that bad"
No, that reads as it isn't a "genocide "
You think tens of thousands of civilian deaths is bad?
Completely agree.
It's not a genocide, though.

The Pakistani army in Bangladesh, Turkey with Armenians, the extermination of Hindus / Sikhs in Pakistan, Jews and Yazidis across the mid East.

They were also bad, AND they were genocides.

If the Israeli army wasn't strong enough, and the Arabs conquered their country, it wouldn't be a bad case of few thousand dead, it would mean the genocide of millions of Jews.

Stop trying to twist words to suit your purposes and bully people. And explain why the real genocide on a dozen other countries doesn't bother you, or why you are so upset that the Israelis are strong enough to give a beating to those who openly call for their genocide.
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I haven't twisted any words
They are there for everyone to read and are disgusting
 
Elbow beards said:
Iranians already going over the border to Turkey, so trump is creating the very thing he says he hates.
The **** will turn round soon and say 'look I was right, Europe is getting invaded by immigrants'
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Ye I doubt the USA woukd be so quick to start a war anywhere near them, it’s always some other poor fuckers who have to pick up the pieces, I see the right wingers having a go at Starmer yet these very people will be crying when thousands of Iranians turn up on boats.
 
I wonder how many posters in this thread have posted in the Ukraine thread.
I wonder how many posted their condemnation of an attack by Russia which is against international law and is killing civilians. How many have commented on the indiscriminate bombing that is leaving civilians without food, water or a home.
Amazingly some of those posters are now defending Israeli and the US who are doing exactly the same.
They will of course say it's different but to me it looks exactly the same, just better PR.
 
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Blue Mist said:
I wonder how many posters in this thread have posted in the Ukraine thread.
I wonder how many posted their condemnation of an an attack by Russia which is against international law and in which is killing civilians. How many have commented on the indiscriminate bombing that is leaving civilians without food, water or a home.
Amazingly some of those posters are now defending Israeli and the US who are doing exactly the same.
They will of course say it's different but to me it looks exactly the same, just better PR.
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I don't think anyone condones the killing of civilians in any conflict, doesn't matter where they occur.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
That's a very stupid post but I know which side you're on. I'm wasting my time therefore but I'll point out some stats. The Holocaust exterminated about a third of the global Jewish population. I think we can agree that was clearly about race, therefore genocidal.

Let's say 70,000 were killed in Gaza. About 20-25k of those were direct or indirect combatants and about another 15k would have died anyway, from disease or other natural causes, according to the normal death rate over the period since October 2023.

That leaves about 30-35k civilian deaths due to Israeli action, which is maybe 1.5% of the Gaza population. There are another 3m Palestinians living in the West Bank. While all those deaths are regrettable (and were unnecessary) If this was truly about race, and an intent to exterminate Gazans, do you not think that figure would have been much, much higher?
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What an horrific post …
 
dave_blue12 said:
The more I think about this the more I believe that Trump has bitten off more than the US military can chew.

The situation is not sustainable and Iran are only going to get stronger as the US runs out of defensive missiles.

The gulf states are in real danger of being wiped out and with them bang goes the US economic bubble which is being propped up by gulf wealth. They are extremely vulnerable relying on their desalination plants as they do.

Will Trump’s ego allow him to seek peace? What will Iran demand?

The world is in for a very bumpy ride.
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Why do we think Trump was so pissed at the UK?

His Joint Chiefs would have told him that they would have had to read NATO partners in as they would be needed as staging posts. Trump would have ignored them and only when the JCs reiterated the point that they couldn’t sustain his mission, was it begrudgingly requested.

Like a child who thinks he can do whatever he wants, and even though he’s told by experts, believes this shit just happens because he ‘thinks’ it will.

Confirmed by his messaging of Israel going in so they had to move quickly.
 
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