US & Israel attack Iran

Vic said:
Yeah but whiie the UK government can call Iran reckless for its tactics, most UK citizens are blaming Trump not the Iranians.
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I would say most Americans blame Trump first too. He's obviously the prime mover here together with Netanyahu and deserves a lot of the blame. But that doesn't give Iran a right to harm the rest of the world to exert pressure on them or because they can't win the war on conventional terms.

As I mentioned the UK didn't attack neutral shipping during the war (the Nazis did), even during the Blitz. They stopped and searched for contraband as the circumstances dictated. That's the legal standard and imo the standard of decency.
 
WT86 said:
Alright whatever. Your second paragraph doesn't make much sense. I'll just cross my fingers you're not counseling anyone to use illegal force against burglars.
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Why would a lawyer be in a position to counsel someone to use illegal force against a burglar?

If your house is getting burgled I don’t think many people’s immediate response is to get their lawyer on the blower and ask if it’s ok to batter the burglar…
 
bluethrunthru said:
A simpleton says this - a nuclear suicide vest isn’t feasible due to physics. Nuclear explosions require critical mass, which by slamming the particles together. It needs space, so containers are large & heavy. This isn’t limited by tech. It’s limited by physics and reality - a place which Vance does not inhabit.

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Well if they’ve shrunken them down to that size we could power all our homes for centuries, honestly they should put up a lie counter every time they appear. Trump must be up to about 10k, they could add to it every time on the ticker tape along the bottom, that would properly piss them off.
 
The Daily Mail repeating the lie that Iran's missiles can reach the UK. It has one purpose - to turn Iran into the enemy when they are the invaded nation.
I think it came from Hegseth in an attempt to gain UK support in the Strait.
Add it to the nuclear suicide vests from Vance, and Donald's fake peace talks.
We can also add the head-shaker of Netanyahu claiming war-crimes.
 
WT86 said:
I would say most Americans blame Trump first too. He's obviously the prime mover here together with Netanyahu and deserves a lot of the blame. But that doesn't give Iran a right to harm the rest of the world to exert pressure on them or because they can't win the war on conventional terms.

As I mentioned the UK didn't attack neutral shipping during the war (the Nazis did), even during the Blitz. They stopped and searched for contraband as the circumstances dictated. That's the legal standard and imo the standard of decency.
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So under your international law, any stronger party can wage aggressive war against a weaker party and the weaker party should just surrender.

And if a neutral country ship heading towards Germany in WW2 didn't bother stopping for a search, the RN would have said "it's a neutral ship, carry on"?
 
WT86 said:
I would say most Americans blame Trump first too. He's obviously the prime mover here together with Netanyahu and deserves a lot of the blame. But that doesn't give Iran a right to harm the rest of the world to exert pressure on them or because they can't win the war on conventional terms.

As I mentioned the UK didn't attack neutral shipping during the war (the Nazis did), even during the Blitz. They stopped and searched for contraband as the circumstances dictated. That's the legal standard and imo the standard of decency.
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You do realise the British attacked the French fleet in WW2 in Algeria, killing over a thousand french service men, so the Germans wouldn't get their hands on it, and they were on our side!!!
 
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Elbow beards said:
You do realise the British scuttled the French fleet in WW2 in Algeria, killing over a thousand french service men, so the Germans wouldn't get their hands on it, and they were on our side!!!
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Scuttled? Can't you only scuttle your own ship? That was an attack.
 
PragueBlue said:
Surely even Trump can't be dumb enough to send US troops in.
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That’s the question to come out of all the madness, I think he is dumb enough. It’s the one thing to come out of the news that means something. The troops are already on the way and another ten thousand to follow.
 
WT86 said:
All completely true, but I'm not willing to concede anyone is allowed to violate international law.
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The Americans and Israelis are violating it. I am not sure what you are expecting Iran to do. It is the only weapon they have which may make the Americans stop trying to obliterate them.
International conventions that you are not even signed up for carry no weight when you are trying to fight for you survival.
The easy way to open the strait is for the pair of cunts to stop bombing Iran.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
That’s the question to come out of all the madness, I think he is dumb enough. It’s the one thing to come out of the news that means something. The troops are already on the way and another ten thousand to follow.
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The analysts on sky recons it will take 30 thousand troops minimum that's how many they had in Iraq.
Plus whatever nato troops were in
 
WT86 said:
If they start allowing neutral shipping through then there's no issue. That would be a smart move since it reduces the need for the rest of the world to intervene to restore freedom of navigation and avoid shortages. That's not where we are right now however.
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They already have been.
 
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