US & Israel attack Iran

WT86 said:
Of course the US should have. Should have done a lot of things.

Maybe expecting Iran not to attack neutral parties is absurd to you. It's a basic principle to most of the world which is why it's enshrined in law.
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Are you really this stupid and/or naive? You’re certainly not capable to strategic thought if you can’t understand why Iran have closed the Straight.
 
SWP's back said:
Are you really this stupid and/or naive? You’re certainly not capable to strategic thought if you can’t understand why Iran have closed the Straight.
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I reckon WT86 is actually one of Rics accounts. Its purpose being to raise traffic on the site so he can grow the advertising revenue.

Either that or it's Dax :- )
 
WT86 said:
I would say most Americans blame Trump first too. He's obviously the prime mover here together with Netanyahu and deserves a lot of the blame. But that doesn't give Iran a right to harm the rest of the world to exert pressure on them or because they can't win the war on conventional terms.

As I mentioned the UK didn't attack neutral shipping during the war (the Nazis did), even during the Blitz. They stopped and searched for contraband as the circumstances dictated. That's the legal standard and imo the standard of decency.
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You’re not real.
 
Fatal mistake that the US and Israel have made is Iran et al are not set up as a state. Thats why when you take out the "head" of an organisation it simply carries on. - Iran has been allowed decades to set itself and its proxy's up and to harass the region. But as I say its not a state its more a terrorist network with Iran - Hezbollah - Hamas - Houthi's - ISIS and beyond part of but not members of the State of Iran.

Because of this misunderstanding they have failed in preparation and tactics because they are fighting an enemy that will accept civilian losses to fight on - they planned an attack on Iran not a deadly game of whack-a-mole. You hit one location and retaliation comes from a different country. The US thought striking Iran would cause an uprising but Iran is like the DDR - full of soldiers and secret services and not a place where people are, as yet, not prepared to do.

Israel in the meantime has its own goals however they are taking a panning on the battlefield and at home in Tel Aviv because they banked on the same things that the US did and never considered that they would get attacked from multiple locations by multiple groups in a co-ordinated way - nor did they realise that the current administration was so tactically inept.
 
WT86 said:
The war is a disaster and in a better world Trump and Netanyahu would be called to account for it. That doesn't change the fact Iran doesn't have the right to respond in the way it has. It's not China or New Zealand's fault or the fault of a tanker full of people trying to do their jobs. If they want to retaliate against the belligerents, i.e. the US and Israel, have at it.
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Quite naive. Soz
 
bluethrunthru said:
Fatal mistake that the US and Israel have made is Iran et al are not set up as a state. Thats why when you take out the "head" of an organisation it simply carries on. - Iran has been allowed decades to set itself and its proxy's up and to harass the region. But as I say its not a state its more a terrorist network with Iran - Hezbollah - Hamas - Houthi's - ISIS and beyond part of but not members of the State of Iran.

Because of this misunderstanding they have failed in preparation and tactics because they are fighting an enemy that will accept civilian losses to fight on - they planned an attack on Iran not a deadly game of whack-a-mole. You hit one location and retaliation comes from a different country. The US thought striking Iran would cause an uprising but Iran is like the DDR - full of soldiers and secret services and not a place where people are, as yet, not prepared to do.

Israel in the meantime has its own goals however they are taking a panning on the battlefield and at home in Tel Aviv because they banked on the same things that the US did and never considered that they would get attacked from multiple locations by multiple groups in a co-ordinated way - nor did they realise that the current administration was so tactically inept.
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Actually Iran itself is very much setup as a state - it's just that the power in the system isn't totally concentrated in the Supreme Leader or a single given entity, as the US seems to have thought. Power is distributed throughout Iran - not exactly equally - but to the extent that the system is able to absorb multiple large shocks concurrently and remain intact.

MAGA and Trump aside, whose movement is largely based on one person's personality cult and would face likely collapse without Trump's demagoguery, how easily would the US or even the UK be able to replace slain political and military leaders? Pretty easily. They're large states and the wells of leadership run deep - no different to Iran, one goes, another steps up. It's absurd for Israel to think killing any of them will significantly weaken a state as big and hardened as Iran.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Fatal mistake that the US and Israel have made is Iran et al are not set up as a state. Thats why when you take out the "head" of an organisation it simply carries on. - Iran has been allowed decades to set itself and its proxy's up and to harass the region. But as I say its not a state its more a terrorist network with Iran - Hezbollah - Hamas - Houthi's - ISIS and beyond part of but not members of the State of Iran.

Because of this misunderstanding they have failed in preparation and tactics because they are fighting an enemy that will accept civilian losses to fight on - they planned an attack on Iran not a deadly game of whack-a-mole. You hit one location and retaliation comes from a different country. The US thought striking Iran would cause an uprising but Iran is like the DDR - full of soldiers and secret services and not a place where people are, as yet, not prepared to do.

Israel in the meantime has its own goals however they are taking a panning on the battlefield and at home in Tel Aviv because they banked on the same things that the US did and never considered that they would get attacked from multiple locations by multiple groups in a co-ordinated way - nor did they realise that the current administration was so tactically inept.
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Iran has been allowed to do … sounds as if they’re a subject but of whom ? Who has allowed them ?

A terrorist network by Iran because of proxies ! Again, when USA / CIA change regimes (more often than not dictators) across the world and have done so for decades, how would you categorise that ? Are those installed governments acting as proxies of US ?

For good measure, I’ll add that I read your posts often and more often than not, I agree with you. Even in this post, I agree with the misunderstanding part.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
The Americans and Israelis are violating it. I am not sure what you are expecting Iran to do. It is the only weapon they have which may make the Americans stop trying to obliterate them.
International conventions that you are not even signed up for carry no weight when you are trying to fight for you survival.
The easy way to open the strait is for the pair of cunts to stop bombing Iran.
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I'm expecting them to not attack or intimidate Thai or Chinese shipping in a fight with the Israelis and Americans.

Like I said this isn't a complicated concept. It's the law and it's how most of the world acts. It's why European talks are coalescing around action to patrol the Strait when the war ends. Unsurprisingly it's the usual handful of posters who are struggling with it.
 
WT86 said:
I'm expecting them to not attack or intimidate Thai or Chinese shipping in a fight with the Israelis and Americans.

Like I said this isn't a complicated concept. It's the law and it's how most of the world acts. It's why European talks are coalescing around action to patrol the Strait when the war ends. Unsurprisingly it's the usual handful of posters who are struggling with it.
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It's their strategic ace card, they'd be stupid not to play it. Stop the traffic, rest of the world kicking off with yanks to pack their shit in and stop it. The americans will batter them in a straight shoot out, so they have to play the cards they have.
 
bluejon said:
It's their strategic ace card, they'd be stupid not to play it. Stop the traffic, rest of the world kicking off with yanks to pack their shit in and stop it. The americans will batter them in a straight shoot out, so they have to play the cards they have.
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Understood, but you can always get more than you otherwise would by taking hostages. Doesn't make it right or fair on the hostages.

Realistically it's a turkey shoot at this point anyway. Israel seems to kill senior figures daily and I think they couldn't care less about how it affects oil prices.
 
WT86 said:
I'm expecting them to not attack or intimidate Thai or Chinese shipping in a fight with the Israelis and Americans.

Like I said this isn't a complicated concept. It's the law and it's how most of the world acts. It's why European talks are coalescing around action to patrol the Strait when the war ends. Unsurprisingly it's the usual handful of posters who are struggling with it.
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You’re the only fucking moron questioning why Iran uses the only card it possesses to harm the US and put economic and political pressure on it to stop its attacks. So if anyone’s struggling, it’s you.

Also you going up against GDM on matters of law is frankly one of the most entertaining things I’ve seen on here in months.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
That’s the question to come out of all the madness, I think he is dumb enough. It’s the one thing to come out of the news that means something. The troops are already on the way and another ten thousand to follow.
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Just read the latest posts on the Ukraine v Russia war on this forum which daily breaks records for Russian casualties around the 1700 mark mainly caused by drones against soldiers I
Perhaps he has not learnt from his mate Putin's mistakes.
 
SWP's back said:
You’re the only fucking moron questioning why Iran uses the only card it possesses to harm the US and put economic and political pressure on it to stop its attacks. So if anyone’s struggling, it’s you.

Also you going up against GDM on matters of law is frankly one of the most entertaining things I’ve seen on here in months.
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You're too stupid/unhinged to engage with man, find someone else.
 
WT86 said:
I'm expecting them to not attack or intimidate Thai or Chinese shipping in a fight with the Israelis and Americans.

Like I said this isn't a complicated concept. It's the law and it's how most of the world acts. It's why European talks are coalescing around action to patrol the Strait when the war ends. Unsurprisingly it's the usual handful of posters who are struggling with it.
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They don't care what you expect. Your life is not under threat. You might have a different view if it was.
 
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