US Politics Thread

SWP's back said:
There are enough books from historians that specialist in fascists strongmen that disagree with you.
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You might very well be right, however the definition of fascism has changed so much it becomes just another watered down term thrown as an insult.

The point remains that America will make its decision and choose what they deserve, we can huff and puff but it's on them.
 
mexico1970 said:
If that's your political view then sing it from the rooftops, but not everyone is a fascist if they don't agree with you.

And strangely not everyone in America agrees with you.
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Can people not just be fascist because of their speech, actions, and advocacy?

Do they have to say “I am a fascist” to be a fascist now? Everything else has to be ignored until they self-designate?

And if they never do, whilst turning the Supreme Court in to a Christian white nationalist oligarch revolution rubber stamp troop, purging the government of non-loyal personnel and replacing them with people that have no expertise but are simply party loyalists, rounding up people deemed to be “illegal immigrants”, putting them in camps, and then deporting them en masse, stripping away women’s and LGBTQ+ rights, dissolving federal agencies tasked with protecting the environment, educating citizens, fighting disease, combating climate change, and investigating crime and corruption (particularly in government), and attempting to breakdown the checks and balances between the branches of government so Congress and the Supreme Court is subservient to the President, we should call them, what, “Your Highness”?
 
mexico1970 said:
You might very well be right, however the definition of fascism has changed so much it becomes just another watered down term thrown as an insult.

The point remains that America will make its decision and choose what they deserve, we can huff and puff but it's on them.
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I've always liked the 14 points of fascism which if we're being objective are Trump to a tee

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, and long incarcerations of prisoners.
  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists…
  4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
  5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation.
  6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation or by sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Government censorship and secrecy, especially in war time, are very common.
  7. Obsession with National Security
    Fear of hostile foreign powers is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
  9. Protection of Corporate Power
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
  10. Suppression of Labor Power
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
  14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
You’re mistaken…a new, better, cheaper plan is coming in two weeks!

I think I heard that every two weeks for almost 4 years.
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When we saw an advert for healthcare.gov in January, my immediate response was, "There’s no point, as Trump is going to repeal it in 2017!"

It did make Mrs Vienna laugh.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Can people not just be fascist because of their speech, actions, and advocacy?

Do they have to say “I am a fascist” to be a fascist now? Everything else has to be ignored until they self-designate?

And if they never do, whilst turning the Supreme Court in to a Christian white nationalist oligarch revolution rubber stamp troop, purging the government of non-loyal personnel and replacing them with people that have no expertise but are simply party loyalists, rounding up people deemed to be “illegal immigrants”, putting them in camps, and then deporting them en masse, stripping away women’s and LGBTQ+ rights, dissolving federal agencies tasked with protecting the environment, fighting disease, combating climate change, and investigating crime and corruption (particularly in government), and attempting to breakdown the checks and balances between the branches of government so Congress and the Supreme Court is subservient to the President, we should call them, what, “Your Highness”?
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I think it's all hyperbole and as I said the Americans will choose. The prediction will be that there will be another 4 years of wailing and crying then a Democrat will get in again.

Do I believe America should deport illegal immigrants? Yes I do.

Is Trump a ****? Yes I believe he's absolutely bonkers but that's on the yanks.
 
yankblue said:
I've always liked the 14 points of fascism which if we're being objective are Trump to a tee

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, and long incarcerations of prisoners.
  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists…
  4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
  5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation.
  6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation or by sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Government censorship and secrecy, especially in war time, are very common.
  7. Obsession with National Security
    Fear of hostile foreign powers is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
  9. Protection of Corporate Power
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
  10. Suppression of Labor Power
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
  14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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I'm not fighting a cult, get out and vote American and stop wasting your time telling us your country is shit...do something about it.

The Tories were Nazis here too you know, or so we were told CONTINOUSLY.
 
mexico1970 said:
I think it's all hyperbole and as I said the Americans will choose. The prediction will be that there will be another 4 years of wailing and crying then a Democrat will get in again.

Do I believe America should deport illegal immigrants? Yes I do.

Is Trump a ****? Yes I believe he's absolutely bonkers but that's on the yanks.
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What I described in my posts was either what Trump and the MAGA apparatus have already done or what Trump and the MAGA apparatus have said they would do (specifically laid out in a 900+ page document entitled “2025 Presidential Transition Project”, commonly known as Project 2025, and repeated ad nauseam at his rallies and during interviews).

How is it hyperbole when Trump and his cronies are the ones doing it or saying they will do it?
 
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