US Politics Thread

[Bigga]

Yep many on here saw Cuomo as a good guy during the height of the pandemic, responding in real time to the information available and to be fair the way he conducted and carried himself in comparison to Trump, it’s inescapable.

It seems a bit disingenuous of you to link the DOJs not continuing to investigate him to Biden and especially to say that charges have been dropped, only to contradict yourself immediately by acknowledging no charges have actually been made.

Cuomo’s attitudes and behaviours towards women is hardly an irrelevant story, I’m surprised you would think otherwise, and you can already see a shift in attitude on this thread towards him on this thread.

He may not be out of the woods in terms of how the pandemic was handled in respect of care homes but it seems that Trump’s DOJ’s investigation was also politically motivated. I’m sure the story has legs yet.

It is shocking though how people will bend over backwards to shoehorn Biden into anything they can to damn by association in their continued quest to prove he isn’t a good guy

LOL!!

How amusing. People are allowed to say "Trump's America", but I'm not allowed to say "Biden's DoJ"!! Is the DoJ under Biden's administration headed by a Biden appointee?

Yes or no...?

Even YOU call the DoJ under the former incumbent, Trump's!

I'll accept the contradiction, but it was late and my train of thought had, clearly, changed on my own read back. I don't tend to derail my train of thought to pander to anyone on here.

As for your extrapolation of my quote on "irrelevant stories", I think that would be VERY silly to attach that to Cuomo's treatment of women (something spoken about by me, MONTHS ago and roundly ignored because of how "great" the man was) when posts before I had clearly criticised the board's fixation on the no marks of Gaetz and Guiliani etc.

But, you keep rolling on, mate.

Biden stretches the truth as written by media, Biden takes his eye off the ball as noted by the eviction moratorium being extended to October in the very last moments, Biden ignores the growing strikes as aided and abetted by MSM. And so on.

These are things I would say of ANY Pres that ignores what's in front of them. I don't have to relitigate this point from Bush Jr onwards on this board.

If this board endorsed a politician based upon fleeting current actions without looking at the background of said politician, I would check outside to see if sky was still where it should be!!

 

[Bigga]

Anyway, to other more important news and the Dem party's establishment wing YET AGAIN hampering (and defeating) a Progressive in Nina Turner, trying to fight for the people.

Brown, who had paid herself more money for doing nothing significant in her last position, who openly courted and pleaded for help by the est Dems and Israel backers, who also funnelled contract money to her bf's company, who is openly supported by the GOP too.




I shouldn't be shocked, but there's actually no depth the Est Dems won't go to, to keep change at bay.

I hope Turner runs at her again.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Just a reminder as to how close Trump came to illegally overturning the result of the 2020 election.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Useful story on yet another firebrand Progressive who fails to win. As I’ve noted, I believe the majority of Americans want pragmatism and not candidates who’s best known for comparing voting for Biden to “eating a bowl of shit.” That’s a good way to get people to vote for you and listen to your ideas, isn’t it? And then you blame your opponent’s evil outside money sources for your loss, despite having raised 3x what she did. Craven idiocy is not confined to the right; in fact, craven idiocy on the left emboldens the worst aspects of the right. The weakest Progressive candidates (ironically thought by Progressives to be their strongest, which says something) have been struggling.

Establishment prevails as Brown beats Turner in Ohio special election

Brown's victory in a special election primary for Congress marked a striking defeat for the Democratic Party's liberal wing.

www.politico.com

 

[Roy Munson]

Anyway, to other more important news and the Dem party's establishment wing YET AGAIN hampering (and defeating) a Progressive in Nina Turner, trying to fight for the people.

Brown, who had paid herself more money for doing nothing significant in her last position, who openly courted and pleaded for help by the est Dems and Israel backers, who also funnelled contract money to her bf's company, who is openly supported by the GOP too.




I shouldn't be shocked, but there's actually no depth the Est Dems won't go to, to keep change at bay.

I hope Turner runs at her again.

In fairness, as much as I'm frustrated with this as I'm a big Nina Turner fan, the fact that she had the larger campaign fund but still didn't get over the line is a concern. It will be interesting to see the fallout.

 

[Bigga]

In fairness, as much as I'm frustrated with this as I'm a big Nina Turner fan, the fact that she had the larger campaign fund but still didn't get over the line is a concern. It will be interesting to see the fallout.

Good to see you posting as I was actually thinking about you the other day (not.. not sexually).

I'm not sure she had the larger campaign fund outside of people contributions. It would seem on investigating some of the backdrop, that Turner was outspent when it came to TV advertisement despite all of the dodgy stuff Brown had been up to.

Hopefully she'll be hit with a campaign ethics charge and lose this 'win'.

Completely reminds me of the Sanders loss despite having people power, overwhelmingly, behind him.

 

[Roy Munson]

Good to see you posting as I was actually thinking about you the other day (not.. not sexually).

I'm not sure she had the larger campaign fund outside of people contributions. It would seem on investigating some of the backdrop, that Turner was outspent when it came to TV advertisement despite all of the dodgy stuff Brown had been up to.

Hopefully she'll be hit with a campaign ethics charge and lose this 'win'.

Completely reminds me of the Sanders loss despite having people power, overwhelmingly, behind him.

This is a decent article from Monday that gives a bit of insight. I wonder if the Turner campaign team will regret not being a little 'smarter' with their campaign? It seems, despite a large amount of vocal support and donations (much of it from out of state), people just didn't get out there and vote for her.

I think this is another example of the challenges a progressive candidate has. They're not capturing the hearts and minds of enough people at present.

Redirect Notice

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[Bigga]

This is a decent article from Monday that gives a bit of insight. I wonder if the Turner campaign team will regret not being a little 'smarter' with their campaign? It seems, despite a large amount of vocal support and donations (much of it from out of state), people just didn't get out there and vote for her.

I think this is another example of the challenges a progressive candidate has. They're not capturing the hearts and minds of enough people at present.

Redirect Notice

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Thanks for that.

I had a quick skim on the article which underlines a lot of the things I chose to leave out as this is quite a circular thread, however there are some stuff I didn't know about that I will take stock of when I get back in.

Some on here would have you believe the "half a bowl of shit" comment is what did Turner in.

What, over being called a supporter of segregation by a, now, VP...?

More vertebrae missing from certain posters!

Laughable.

 

[Roy Munson]

Establishment prevails as Brown beats Turner in Ohio special election

Brown's victory in a special election primary for Congress marked a striking defeat for the Democratic Party's liberal wing.

www.politico.com

Another good article with some salient points on why Turner lost. I've said this before, but I still can't get my head around why a lot of these recent progressive campaigns have been run so badly.

Seems like they often put the wagon before the horse.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Establishment prevails as Brown beats Turner in Ohio special election

Brown's victory in a special election primary for Congress marked a striking defeat for the Democratic Party's liberal wing.

www.politico.com

Another good article with some salient points on why Turner lost. I've said this before, but I still can't get my head around why a lot of these recent progressive campaigns have been run so badly.

Seems like they often put the wagon before the horse.

Agreed. It’s a fine article which is why I posted it yesterday.

 

[Roy Munson]

Agreed. It’s a fine article which is why I posted it yesterday.

Sorry, bud. Completely missed it! It's been a long week!!

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Establishment prevails as Brown beats Turner in Ohio special election

Brown's victory in a special election primary for Congress marked a striking defeat for the Democratic Party's liberal wing.

www.politico.com

Another good article with some salient points on why Turner lost. I've said this before, but I still can't get my head around why a lot of these recent progressive campaigns have been run so badly.

Seems like they often put the wagon before the horse.

I think they suffer the same issue as the left of the labour party here. They see thousands of people on twitter in perfect political alinement and can't see how they can possible fail. But less than 1 in 10 of the voters they actually need is on twitter.

Some people like middle of the road politics - and above all they want their preffered middling political candidate to have the best oportunity to win. They can't see that - they think the revolution is round the corner.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I think they suffer the same issue as the left of the labour party here. They see thousands of people on twitter in perfect political alinement and can't see how they can possible fail. But less than 1 in 10 of the voters they actually need is on twitter.

Some people like middle of the road politics - and above all they want their preffered middling political candidate to have the best oportunity to win. They can't see that - they think the revolution is round the corner.

I think that’s correct. Talk is cheap; opinions are free. Implementation of ideas takes work, compromise, the ability to think through minutiae, taking an entire diverse constituency into account. Not in the rhetorical bailiwick of semi-fringe movements, whether right or left. Wholesale, prescriptive solutions to problems are emotionally appealing, and so often unrealistic to employ in the real world. Since most people live in the real world, which Twitter isn’t, you do the math at the ballot box.

 

[Bigga]

Establishment prevails as Brown beats Turner in Ohio special election

Brown's victory in a special election primary for Congress marked a striking defeat for the Democratic Party's liberal wing.

www.politico.com

Another good article with some salient points on why Turner lost. I've said this before, but I still can't get my head around why a lot of these recent progressive campaigns have been run so badly.

Seems like they often put the wagon before the horse.

Seems to be a bit of context missing from this article.

The "salient points", maybe not have been known to the public, but Turner had never shied away from the truth of a situation, which means the people that voted preferred their shit served with a helpful dollop of syrup.

What she's said and done over the last few years was not a secret.

What the article seemingly skips over is why a campaign with 40% of the vote, in the beginning, capitulates and loses by 6%.

Well, news is breaking that the turnout, a ground in which Sanders lost heavily in, was upended by affluent the White vote and a low vote turnout from Black and working class citizens.

This may be burnout from political fighting and Covid fears.

I'm sure better analysis will come to the fore in the next few days.

What I will say is the Est Dems are fearful of Turner as she would, most likely, become de facto leader of the headless 'Squad' and galvanise and direct a rudderless faction.

Finally, the article mentions Cori Bush turning Biden's head as some juxtaposition of the Turner result, but fails to mention Bush lost her last two pushes for Congress (the last by 20pts) and yet came back to win through and make an effective, if temporary, change in policy for the Dems today.

Turner's loss was 6pts (aided and abetted by a huge push by monied interest); nothing in the grand scheme of things and a small learning curve to navigate.

It's a special election, so there'll be another opportunity really quickly.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

And, even better said . . .

 

[Bigga]

I think they suffer the same issue as the left of the labour party here. They see thousands of people on twitter in perfect political alinement and can't see how they can possible fail. But less than 1 in 10 of the voters they actually need is on twitter.

Some people like middle of the road politics - and above all they want their preffered middling political candidate to have the best oportunity to win. They can't see that - they think the revolution is round the corner.

Middle of the road politics only works when there's enough balance.

How is that policy helping the low waged and strikes that are happening?

MofR politics is spoon fed to people by the MSM, so that's why there's such confliction of what's seen and what's done.

 

[Roy Munson]

I think they suffer the same issue as the left of the labour party here. They see thousands of people on twitter in perfect political alinement and can't see how they can possible fail. But less than 1 in 10 of the voters they actually need is on twitter.

Some people like middle of the road politics - and above all they want their preffered middling political candidate to have the best oportunity to win. They can't see that - they think the revolution is round the corner.

This is a intetesting point. I think many people have a romanticised view of the impact of revolution on society.

Let's use Che Guevara as an example. He's the poster boy of 'Viva la revolución' despite, by many accounts, being a massive racist, homophobe.

People still debate whether the American Revolution reinforced the idea of slavery as a commitment to the idea of controlling property (which slaves were considered to be) vs. the birth of equality and freedom for ALL people. Probably way off topic and would prompt a deep dive into the rigour of the Constitution, but fascinating none the less.

 

[Roy Munson]

Seems to be a bit of context missing from this article.

The "salient points", maybe not have been known to the public, but Turner had never shied away from the truth of a situation, which means the people that voted preferred their shit served with a helpful dollop of syrup.

What she's said and done over the last few years was not a secret.

What the article seemingly skips over is why a campaign with 40% of the vote, in the beginning, capitulates and loses by 6%.

Well, news is breaking that the turnout, a ground in which Sanders lost heavily in, was upended by affluent the White vote and a low vote turnout from Black and working class citizens.

This may be burnout from political fighting and Covid fears.

I'm sure better analysis will come to the fore in the next few days.

What I will say is the Est Dems are fearful of Turner as she would, most likely, become de facto leader of the headless 'Squad' and galvanise and direct a rudderless faction.

Finally, the article mentions Cori Bush turning Biden's head as some juxtaposition of the Turner result, but fails to mention Bush lost her last two pushes for Congress (the last by 20pts) and yet came back to win through and make an effective, if temporary, change in policy for the Dems today.

Turner's loss was 6pts (aided and abetted by a huge push by monied interest); nothing in the grand scheme of things and a small learning curve to navigate.

It's a special election, so there'll be another opportunity really quickly.

Totally agree. The analysis/fallout from this will be fascinating.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

This is a intetesting point. I think many people have a romanticised view of the impact of revolution on society.

Let's use Che Guevara as an example. He's the poster boy of 'Viva la revolución' despite, by many accounts, being a massive racist, homophobe.

People still debate whether the American Revolution reinforced the idea of slavery as a commitment to the idea of controlling property (which slaves were considered to be) vs. the birth of equality and freedom for ALL people. Probably way off topic and would prompt a deep dive into the rigour of the Constitution, but fascinating none the less.

This is why the movie Rogue One is the best Star Wars film!

America in concept at founding was an incredible idea . . . for white guys from certain parts of Europe. Over 250-some years we are still trying to make it an incredible idea for everyone else.

 

[Bigga]

This is a intetesting point. I think many people have a romanticised view of the impact of revolution on society.

Let's use Che Guevara as an example. He's the poster boy of 'Viva la revolución' despite, by many accounts, being a massive racist, homophobe.

People still debate whether the American Revolution reinforced the idea of slavery as a commitment to the idea of controlling property (which slaves were considered to be) vs. the birth of equality and freedom for ALL people. Probably way off topic and would prompt a deep dive into the rigour of the Constitution, but fascinating none the less.

Is this not the way with 'revolution' with selected information?

FDR was a huge racist, but his 'New Deal' made an impact for the greater good even if was an accident of design.