US Politics Thread

[mancity2012_eamo]

It's not really about pets though. That's just a side issue. The real issues are numerous and continuously ignored.

1. A small town of 50 thousand has a foreign population of close to 20000 inserted into their community with little regards for the effects. If such an influx.

2. The social services in the small town has reached a breaking point.

3. The difference in the culture of the natives and the new migrants are causing massive social aches.

4. Spikes in homelessness and encampments springing up around town as landlords triple their rent and stop renewing rental leases so they could get in on the windfall of renting bunke weekly to Haitians who they can't pack 15 to 20 per house and charging by bed.

5. There have been complaints at board meetings as to why the city isn't enforcing its rental housing codes.

6. There has been a well documented spoke in car accidents in the town. Specifically related to migrants. And a general refusal by the force to tow cars of migrants who have been caught driving without a license.

7. There is a specific agency dedicated to Haitian employment (and according to some residents - I'm sure some will call them butter and lazy - there is preferential treatment given to migrant employment.

Then there is the culture clash stuff that comes with the territory. Haitian men deemed a little more aggressive with women than many are used to or comfortable with. Language barriers that make it impossible to negotiate or communicate with some of them.

Overall, the impression you get is there are government officials and businesses taking advantage of the Migrants themselves, the town of Springfield and it's citizens themselves and no one gives a fuck... God forbid you object to any of this, you'd be called a racist off the bat.

There is this ideological belief that any opposition to migrants at any level simply must come from a place of bigotry and racism. Its nonsense! Most of the citizens are accommodating within reason, but there is only so much top down engineering a town can take.

For the record, Springfield is just one of many cities where immigration has left an unenjoyable taste.

In Chicago it's the black residents who are the racists. In California, same. Black folks are up in arms. You have money for migrants but not for our reparations? Say it ain't so Mister Guv'nor.

In Colorado it's the Hispanics who are the bigots. In New York it's the African Americans and the Hispanic complaining about drained by resources. Bloody bigots.


Bigots everywhere of all shade and color. When would the self delusions stop?

Sounds to me the exact same tactic as is happening just up the road from me in the Coolock protests.

It gets me every time I hear this argument no matter what part of the world it’s in.

It’s far simpler manipulate people into protest by creating a cause that’s not there, than actually addressing the problems which you most likely describe accurately in so far as there are several parts of existing society taking advantage of, or manipulating a system that is driven by demand.
Supply and demand being what brings migrants in, in the first place.
The fact that they are also exploited is usually ignored.

Make all of your targeted audiences problems be as a result of the foreigner.

There’s several scams going on but none bigger than the one Trump is pulling on his audience, who he quite honestly couldn’t give a fvck about as long as they vote him in.

 

[Dax777]

Sounds to me the exact same tactic as is happening just up the road from me in the Coolock protests.

It gets me every time I hear this argument no matter what part of the world it’s in.

It’s far simpler manipulate people into protest by creating a cause that’s not there, than actually addressing the problems which you most likely describe accurately in so far as there are several parts of existing society taking advantage of, or manipulating a system that is driven by demand.
Supply and demand being what brings migrants in, in the first place.
The fact that they are also exploited is usually ignored.

Make all of your targeted audiences problems be as a result of the foreigner.

There’s several scams going on but none bigger than the one Trump is pulling on his audience, who he quite honestly couldn’t give a fvck about as long as they vote him in.

I similarly don't give a fuck about Trump. This is something Foggy seems to struggle with. The cult of personalities that sway his opinion doesn't sway me. The reality on the ground are of far greater importance..

 

[domalino]

1. A small town of 50 thousand has a foreign population of close to 20000 inserted into their community with little regards for the effects. If such an influx.

I know 99% of readers are used to Dax’s lies, for anyone reading who isn’t aware that this poster specialises in lying, there are not 20,000 Haitian immigrants in a town of 50,000.

There’s about 10-12,000 immigrants of ALL NATIONALITIES in Clark county - which has a population of 135,000.

Thats actually less than the USA-wide average.

In fact in the entire state of Ohio (population 11.7m) there are approx 5,000 (maybe up to 7500) people born in Haiti.


So that’s the “reality on the ground” as Dax would put it.

On the wider issue, JD Vance is an Ohio senator, he is the person responsible for this, and he is the person who voted against the bipartisan border bill because he was worried it would hurt trumps election chances if the Biden government was seen to be acting on immigration.

So instead of actually passing legislation to help the problem, he just lied about people eating pets to whip up a racist outrage, that thankfully because he’s so spectacularly stupid and incompetent, has backfired majorly.

 

[Dax777]

I know 99% of readers are used to Dax’s lies, for anyone reading who isn’t aware that this poster specialises in lying, there are not 20,000 Haitian immigrants in a town of 50,000.

There’s about 10-12,000 immigrants of ALL NATIONALITIES in Clark county - which has a population of 135,000.

Thats actually less than the USA-wide average.

In fact in the entire state of Ohio (population 11.7m) there are approx 5,000 (maybe up to 7500) people born in Haiti.


So that’s the “reality on the ground” as Dax would put it.

On the wider issue, JD Vance is an Ohio senator, he is the person responsible for this, and he is the person who voted against the bipartisan border bill because he was worried it would hurt trumps election chances if the Biden government was seen to be acting on immigration.

I could take your word for it, or I could quote the Governor of the State who said:

"What the companies tell us is that they are very good workers. They're very happy to have them there, and frankly, that's helped the economy. Now, are there problems connected? Well, sure. When you go from a population of 58,000 and add 15,000 people onto that, you're going to have some challenges and some problems. And we're addressing those," he added


More quotes:
While Trump has vowed to conduct "large deportations in Springfield," most of the estimated 12,000 to 15,000 Haitians in the city are legally authorized to live and work in the U.S"

Why is the Haitian population of Springfield, Ohio, booming?

Many of the immigrants are protected by U.S. law due to conditions in Haiti.

abcnews.go.com

But I'm sure you are more in the know than the people who run the town

 

[Dax777]

I know 99% of readers are used to Dax’s lies, for anyone reading who isn’t aware that this poster specialises in lying, there are not 20,000 Haitian immigrants in a town of 50,000.

There’s about 10-12,000 immigrants of ALL NATIONALITIES in Clark county - which has a population of 135,000.

Thats actually less than the USA-wide average.

In fact in the entire state of Ohio (population 11.7m) there are approx 5,000 (maybe up to 7500) people born in Haiti.


So that’s the “reality on the ground” as Dax would put it.

On the wider issue, JD Vance is an Ohio senator, he is the person responsible for this, and he is the person who voted against the bipartisan border bill because he was worried it would hurt trumps election chances if the Biden government was seen to be acting on immigration.

So instead of actually passing legislation to help the problem, he just lied about people eating pets to whip up a racist outrage, that thankfully because he’s so spectacularly stupid and incompetent, has backfired majorly.

As ot related to the immigration bill can you in your truth serum make us aware of what exactly was in the bill that the Republicans rejected?

Better yet, can you offer any explanation as to why it took over 3 years to come up with the trash of a bill?

Or better yet, why the Immigration issue solvers didn't vote on the Republican bill that's been around for the better part of 3 years?

Not that any of this matters to you though.

 

[domalino]

I could take your word for it, or I could quote the Governor of the State who said:

"What the companies tell us is that they are very good workers. They're very happy to have them there, and frankly, that's helped the economy. Now, are there problems connected? Well, sure. When you go from a population of 58,000 and add 15,000 people onto that, you're going to have some challenges and some problems. And we're addressing those," he added


More quotes:
While Trump has vowed to conduct "large deportations in Springfield," most of the estimated 12,000 to 15,000 Haitians in the city are legally authorized to live and work in the U.S"

Why is the Haitian population of Springfield, Ohio, booming?

Many of the immigrants are protected by U.S. law due to conditions in Haiti.

abcnews.go.com

But I'm sure you are more in the know than the people who run the town

The statistics don't lie. You yourself have claimed they're legally authorised to work and live in the state, which means they're on the census data. Which shows there's 7500 Haitians in Ohio.

Explore Census Data

data.census.gov

The whole 15,000 in Springfield number comes from 2 things. A private unchecked letter by 1 man to 2 senators, and a right wing thinktank that's got form for lying.

We know this is bollocks becasue if you increased the population of a city by 40% things like births, deaths, marriages and number of children in school would go up and we know from actual official data (ie not unchecked letters) that Springfield has remained consistent on all of those fronts for the past 10 years.

So to actually believe this, you'd have to be stupid enough to think every single Haitian immigrant is both a legal citizen and not on the census, and none of them have died, got married, had children or sent those kids to school.


The funny thing as always Dax is that if you were actually the enlightened free thinker who did his research like you always pretend to be, instead of just another loser sucking up whatever shite the far-right press spunks out, you'd have gone and looked at all that yourself and come to the same conclusion.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Both parties are NOT the same.

I wish the “WHAT.THE.ACTUAL.FUCK?” exclamation still had meaning to this gang of racist fucks, but they spew this shit with impunity…and actually fundraise off it!

Kennedy is notorious, but his kin still vote for him!!! Speaks volumes about them all.

And, she was so gracious, it wasn’t funny! I’m not sure I could have been so composed given his malicious, grandstanding accusations. Joe McCarthy is grinning from ear to ear in his grave at what MAGA Trumpism has wrought. It’s always been there, albeit politely hidden from public view, for the most part. Now, though, the quiet, private part gets openly shouted from the rooftops…or in this case, the friggin Congress of the United States!

So embarrassing…SMH

 

[ChicagoBlue]

As ot related to the immigration bill can you in your truth serum make us aware of what exactly was in the bill that the Republicans rejected?

Didn’t matter. Trump said he wanted immigration as his bludgeon, so any excuse was a good excuse. Republicans never had to say, or even believe what they were doing was right…they did it under orders from their Fuhrer.

Better yet, can you offer any explanation as to why it took over 3 years to come up with the trash of a bill?

Because that’s how long complicated, partisan issues take…and longer…to be distilled and massaged to get to bipartisan legislation in a highly partisan Congress.

Or better yet, why the Immigration issue solvers didn't vote on the Republican bill that's been around for the better part of 3 years?

Because it couldn’t muster the support needed to become law, as it wasn’t bipartisan. Duh!

Not that any of this matters to you though.

More wasted breath on someone who shows he doesn’t deserve it.

Don’t be a troll.

 

[Dax777]

The statistics don't lie. You yourself have claimed they're legally authorised to work and live in the state, which means they're on the census data. Which shows there's 7500 Haitians in Ohio.

I made no claims about the Haitians. And there authorization to work doesn't mean they are on the census data.

Again, you are arguing against the Governor of the State who's job it is to know how many people are there and how much additional aid he needs to send.

But hey, you do you!

Explore Census Data

data.census.gov

The whole 15,000 in Springfield number comes from 2 things. A private unchecked letter by 1 man to 2 senators, and a right wing thinktank that's got form for lying.

We know this is bollocks becasue if you increased the population of a city by 40% things like births, deaths and number of children in school would go up. But we know from actual official data (ie not unchecked letters) that Springfield has remained consistent on all of those fronts for the past 10 years.

If you say so. You go with the Census numbers, id go with the Governor's numbers. If siggest some reporter gets to the bottom of this fake News created by those Right-wing nutjobs. But many here have made me aware this is not what investigative journalists are for.

Perhaps you are right and the inflated #s are a part of a larger fraud. Who knows.

 

[domalino]

I made no claims about the Haitians. And there authorization to work doesn't mean they are on the census data.

Again, you are arguing against the Governor of the State who's job it is to know how many people are there and how much additional aid he needs to send.

But hey, you do you!


If you say so. You go with the Census numbers, id go with the Governor's numbers. If siggest some reporter gets to the bottom of this fake News created by those Right-wing nutjobs. But many here have made me aware this is not what investigative journalists are for.

Perhaps you are right and the inflated #s are a part of a larger fraud. Who knows.

Ahahaha priceless. The do you own research free thinker now can’t comprehend a politician lying or repeating a false number that’s been spread in the news.