US Politics Thread

It’s difficult to imagine two more different politicians, in terms of character, personality and motivation than Carter and Trump and it’s also worth noting that the former was elected off the back of Watergate which seems like an innocent prank compared to the acts that Trump has committed, in spite of which he was recently re-elected.

It is also worth stating, for balance, that it is impossible to conceive of Carter pardoning his own offspring in the way Biden did.

It’s also impossible to conceive of a politician like Carter even being nominated today, never mind winning.

All the above sadly reflects the profound changes in American society and its politics over the last half century, which can only be correctly characterised as that of huge decline.

And we are no better btw.
 
It’s difficult to imagine two more different politicians, in terms of character, personality and motivation than Carter and Trump and it’s also worth noting that the former was elected off the back of Watergate which seems like an innocent prank compared to the acts that Trump has committed, in spite of which he was recently re-elected.

It is also worth stating, for balance, that it is impossible to conceive of Carter pardoning his own offspring in the way Biden did.

It’s also impossible to conceive of a politician like Carter even being nominated today, never mind winning.

All the above sadly reflects the profound changes in American society and its politics over the last half century, which can only be correctly characterised as that of huge decline.

And we are no better btw.
Interesting to see if Trump attends the funeral I have a feeling he would be most unwelcome, usually all former presidents would attend I think but I don’t think he will be invited.
 
Interesting to see if Trump attends the funeral I have a feeling he would be most unwelcome, usually all former presidents would attend I think but I don’t think he will be invited.
It would be too much of ask of him to show his respects, STFU, and not do anything that would mean he gets all the attention over a proper president.
 
Do you have statistics to back up this silly, partisan talking point? Or, would you prefer to ignore the global economic shutdown caused by COVID, and the Herculean efforts undertaken to bring the US economic engine back from the brink???

Let me help you out…

In February 2020, the United States entered what was by far the largest recession since the Great Depression. (This was under Trump, as seen by the date)

Nearly 22 million people lost their jobs, and real gross domestic product (GDP) fell 9.2 percent. (Again, this was the last year of the Trump Administration, when we ignored the warnings, then suggest drinking bleach and inserting ultraviolet lights into your system as a realistic course of medical treatment!)

Learning from mistakes made in prior recessions, Congress passed recovery legislation that prevented economic scarring and instead ensured a speedy and full recovery.

Thanks to bipartisan congressional efforts during the Trump administration and the Biden-Harris administration’s effort to continue the economic stimulus, the United States has more than fully recovered. In fact, economic growth has outpaced projections that were made before the COVID-19 pandemic.

In other words, the economy in 2024 is stronger than experts had predicted it would be in 2024 before COVID-19 even happened. And it is stronger now than it was projected to be by 2024 at the beginning of the Biden-Harris administration.

-/-/-/-

Hmmm, so Trump brought us the Great Recession, due to initially ignoring the Pandemic, because nothing bad could possibly be seriously discussed by him. Then, CONGRESS passed bipartisan packages to provide support for economic stability and growth.

Biden continued and increased these efforts to aid with the global inflation caused by the Pandemic, including providing millions without jobs the money needed to buy things and keep the economy from further collapse.

The result of COVID was a significant increase in prices (inflation) as many businesses saw an opportunity to pass along their increase in raw materials due to scarcity. That required economic activity to increase, so that production of goods could increase supply and better reflect demand, AND wages to increase to help cover the increased prices.

Was it successful? YES, of course it was!!!

Today, we have the best economy in the world, wages are the highest they’ve ever been, both nominally and in real terms, and the stock market is breaking records almost every day! (Trump’s yardstick, not mine!)

So, let’s roll out these statistics that prove you’re wrong, now…

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As you can see, from April 21 to December 22, we did have higher inflation than wage growth, but for the last TWO YEARS, REAL WAGES HAVE INCREASED, and the economy is even outpacing pre-COVID projections!

As you may not know, those same economists are now using Trump’s promises on migrant round ups, the closing of the border and the widespread use of tariffs to project up to a 9% CONTRACTION in the best U.S. economy in modern history and an increase in inflation!!!

That’ll fix what ails us, eh?! After all, who wants the best growth in the world, lower inflation, increases in real wages and a 50% increase in retirement savings over the last two years to continue during the next Trump years???
Its incredible that you claim what I say is not factual yet you dont even source your stats. Most of these stats I will post here are from a variety of government sources ie the SSA, stats from the Census, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

2017: wage growth 3.4, inflation 2.1 +1.3
2018 wage growth 3.6 inflation 2.4 +1.2
2019 wage growth 3.7 inflation 1.8 +1.9
2020 wage growth 2.8 inflation 1.2 +1.6

So as you can see real wages out paced inflation, hence, what I said was/is factually correct and not a partisan talking point.
I found a handy dandy chart on statista from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. From Jan 21 to Sept 24 Inflation was 20.6 and real wage growth was 19.2-negative real wage growth.

But Trumps good numbers in his first time were due to Saint Barack of Obama, right? But I thought Trump was a moron, an idiot, an arsonist yet the numbers will still very good in year three of his first administration.

Now lets look at some other numbers. Remembers these stats are from government sources like the Dept of Labor, SSA etc..
In 2019 real income increased by $4400 per household. In that year real median income gains increased 7.9% for blacks, 7.1 for hispanics and 10.6 for asians. But I am sure it was all down to Obamas policies.
The official poverty rate fell to an all time record low of 10.5% and 4 million were lifted out of the official poverty rate in 2018-19. it fell by 1.3% the largest reduction in 50 years.
 
Its incredible that you claim what I say is not factual yet you dont even source your stats. Most of these stats I will post here are from a variety of government sources ie the SSA, stats from the Census, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

2017: wage growth 3.4, inflation 2.1 +1.3
2018 wage growth 3.6 inflation 2.4 +1.2
2019 wage growth 3.7 inflation 1.8 +1.9
2020 wage growth 2.8 inflation 1.2 +1.6

So as you can see real wages out paced inflation, hence, what I said was/is factually correct and not a partisan talking point.
I found a handy dandy chart on statista from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. From Jan 21 to Sept 24 Inflation was 20.6 and real wage growth was 19.2-negative real wage growth.

But Trumps good numbers in his first time were due to Saint Barack of Obama, right? But I thought Trump was a moron, an idiot, an arsonist yet the numbers will still very good in year three of his first administration.

Now lets look at some other numbers. Remembers these stats are from government sources like the Dept of Labor, SSA etc..
In 2019 real income increased by $4400 per household. In that year real median income gains increased 7.9% for blacks, 7.1 for hispanics and 10.6 for asians. But I am sure it was all down to Obamas policies.
The official poverty rate fell to an all time record low of 10.5% and 4 million were lifted out of the official poverty rate in 2018-19. it fell by 1.3% the largest reduction in 50 years.
It’s hilarious to watch a President ride in on the coattails of a growing economy, ruin it with a ridiculous healthcare conspiracy, all because of the optics, then wash his hands(pun intended!) of the fallout!

Of course, inflation and wages do NOT go hand in hand, which is why REAL wage growth will always be a trailing indicator, meaning wages go up through bargaining after inflation has occurred.

To exacerbate that, when we experience an inflation spike, the effects of that (massive increase in demand coupled with lack of supply) carry forward while we wait for wages to increase throughout the economy…even while inflation comes down from that spike.

These are basic facts and how the machinations work. Indeed, I’m not going to try to argue that Trump enjoyed 3 good years, only that his policies and practices had a lingering effect on the Biden presidency, just as Obama’s policies helped Trump.

The data I quoted came from a series of charts, graphs and tables compiled by the Center for American Progress, using data from the same sources you cited.
 
The data I quoted came from a series of charts, graphs and tables compiled by the Center for American Progress, using data from the same sources you cited.
Mate, I'm not going to jump into this, and you're entitled to your sources, but if you are going to use CAP then at least give some context as you would if you used the CATO Institute, Brookings, Heritage, AEI or RAND. The donors to CAP make interesting reading don't you think? Especially the UAE.



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