US Politics Thread

How do you explain Joe Biden & Kamala Harris peacefully handing the keys to the family car over to an "existential threat to democracy" and a "fascist"? Why aren't Democrat voters arming themselves to march on Washington on January 20th to stop the inauguration?
Because the majority of Americans voted for an existential threat to democracy and a fascist, and as such must live with and respect that choice as law-abiding Americans.

To expand on @Damocles point, I suspect the key difference is that many if not most on the left also believe Trump isn't very GOOD at being an existential threat to democracy nor a fascist because he's an incompetent self-immersed buffoon.

Which brings us back to the fact that voting for an incompetent self-immersed buffoon is also dumb, no matter which side the buffoon represents.
 
Because they never actually believed this and it was always an election scare tactic.
If they REALLY believed that Trump was the next Hitler and was going to end American democracy, they'd be talking about armed resistances. Instead they'll wait 4 years for a populist and vaguely ineffective President to burn himself out and then carry on as usual like they did in 2016.
The messaging of the left in the US (and thus has been imported everywhere else) since about 1995 is that everybody on the right is a racist either openly or secretly. As messaging becomes more sophisticated and the cultural shock of that wears off, it gets more extreme and extreme to provoke the same response in people. So now people aren't racist but secretly Nazis and fascists too. None of it is actually real and they know it.
The right does the same thing with a variety of issues which can be vaguely amalgamated into a broad categories of "communist barbarians". Every policy the left comes up with, every action, is painted as dogwhistles (and similarly as messaging became more extreme, outright accusations of) barbarism or communism.
Nobody on the right GENUINELY believes that Kamala Harris is a Communist or that elite pedophiles control Washington, it just helps them to pretend because it whips their base up. Same thing.

the ones closest to calling Trump the next Hitler was his inner circle including his former chief of staff from his last time in office and they are all right wing republicans.
 
the ones closest to calling Trump the next Hitler was his inner circle including his former chief of staff from his last time in office and they are all right wing republicans.
Yep, no former member of his cabinet wants back in, which should tell you something (at least as much about his rampant laziness and idiocy and emotional instability than his totalitarian leanings IMO but it doesn't matter -- still a warning sign ignored by his supporters).
 
He's not America's Hitler they said.

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Sure they aren't.

The right answer is they are fear-mongering liars. The very thing they accuse Trump of being.
Every politician on planet Earth can be characterised in some way as a fear mongering liar if you were to dig down to it. That's sort of the job in the modern media environment. The stoic and calm accountants, or leaders who carefully considered both sides of the equation and came up with an acceptable middle ground don't exist any more. They've been replaced by TV show characters whose main qualification is that they can get their base to come out and vote in droves. And anti-other guy rhetoric has always been the biggest point scorer in Party stuff.
There's very few in the world now who aren't just party loyalists hoping to cement their position though that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Tony Blair released a book last year called Leadership which talks heavily about this issue, in reference to a recently promoted leader of an African nation that he was asked to advise. It's wonderful to get into power and start enacting all the change you want to see, especially as this specific example was about a person who wanted to liberalise the country after many years of turmoil, but unless you also manage your own Party and your voting base then you'll be gone in six months and all the change you wanted now doesn't happen. So secure your position then baby steps it towards where you think the nation should go.

People who expect (or try) to walk in with a big broom and change everything in one big hit always fail in the medium term. Their vision is always reversed in one, two or three elections down the line. Ultimately the greatest thing about democracy (and something I believe some political parties have forgotten), is that you have to take people with you and get them to buy into your vision otherwise your "win"/time in Government is basically masturbatory until the next guy comes and puts it all back for better or worse.

Trump isn't going to have a long term impact on the US and I've been saying this since about 2012. He swings to the right, then someone will come along and swing it back and harder and then it will run out of steam with swings and end up round about the middle. That's what markets and companies want, its what electorates want. People scream for change because its a nothing term that means everything to everyone but they actually want stability. Some might suggest the Supreme Court but the next person who learns from the "strongman" appeal of Trump and is on the left will start to address that through reform. This is punishment for Trump pushing through judges, next someone else will push stuff through to negate that. So what started with some horseshit about Merrick Garland not allowed to be appointed near an election is now going to end in 20 Supreme Court judges because they didn't understand precedence and escalation.

I believe in the importance but also the danger of precedence. If two people are in an argument on here for example and it's vaguely friendly then you expect the tone to continue like this. But if one person calls the other a bad cat nonce then they've introduced that as an acceptable form of interaction, so then can't complain when they get called a bad cat nonce by others. Same with politics. Republicans specifically are so utterly stupid when it comes to this. They introduce new ways of interpreting protocol for them to "win" without seemingly considering that that same protocol can now be applied in the future to them. The Democrats need to start hitting them harder on this.
 
Lying about what actually has actually happened vs. worrying about what might happen aren't the same, so no.
Has something changed between election day and today to cause the worriers to say "Oh well, nothing to worry about anymore?"

No, nothing has changed.

Did something change between election day and a week later when Biden received Trump in the White House, spoke the words "congratulations" and "welcome" and promised a smooth transition of power? Imagine yourself a black graduate at Howard University before the election listening to Joe Biden tell them Trump is going to take away your freedoms only to see him glad-hand Trump a week after the election.

Joe Biden and Harris are turning over power to someone who they said quite clearly is an existential threat to democracy and a fascist. "Worry" is your new framing because you just cannot admit for one second they lied about what they believed to drive people to the polls. They spoke in bad faith and unreasonably - as did Trump when he accused Kamala Harris of being a Marxist.

 
Has something changed between election day and today to cause the worriers to say "Oh well, nothing to worry about anymore?"

No, nothing has changed.

Did something change between election day and a week later when Biden received Trump in the White House, spoke the words "congratulations" and "welcome" and promised a smooth transition of power? Imagine yourself a black graduate at Howard University before the election listening to Joe Biden tell them Trump is going to take away your freedoms only to see him glad-hand Trump a week after the election.

Joe Biden and Harris are turning over power to someone who they said quite clearly is an existential threat to democracy and a fascist. "Worry" is your new framing because you just cannot admit for one second they lied about what they believed to drive people to the polls. They spoke in bad faith and unreasonably - as did Trump when he accused Kamala Harris of being a Marxist.

When did Kamala or Joe tell her supporters to lynch her deputy and storm the capitol?

Seems to be a key fact that is ignored in this "both sides lied to gaslight voters" argument.
 
Every politician on planet Earth can be characterised in some way as a fear mongering liar if you were to dig down to it. That's sort of the job in the modern media environment.
True. However, it's one thing to accuse your opponent of being a mindless, bigoted old fool, or someone whose tax policy will actually increase the deficit, or who plans to cut social security payments despite public statements to the contrary etc. and quite another to accuse them of being a threat to the very existence of the state itself.
 

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