He was incredibly stupid but thought he was doing someone a favour by protecting his business. A police officer told him to clear off from there so a responsible adult did slightly intervene but I agree his parents need a slap.Those that attacked him are just as, if not more culpable to what happened. The whole situation is a perfect example of human stupidity.
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Rittenhouse was 17 at the time this occurred. If he were 18 I think that he'd have been legally entitled to open-carry his assault rifle.
>> What baffles me more is that not one single responsible adult tried to stop him. In fact his own mother drove him there herself.
This doesn't strike me as baffling whatsoever - it's the current right-think inspired by the NRA, Fox News, et. all, and the hammered home-but untrue us-versus-them narrative sprinkled with numerous unfounded conspiracy theories.
Rittenhouse likely believes that he is a patriot standing up for American values against the abhorrent, Godless, criminal left, prone to vandalism and violence.
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None of it happens if he or someone else makes the decision not to go to the protest with a loaded gun.
It’s madness for everyone involved. No good can come of carrying these weapons around. As an Englishman it’s not my business to tell Americans what to do with their constitution but I can say carry guns around at charged up political events is ridiculous.
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And therein lies the inherent problems of the USA's relationship with guns and protest. You can no longer have a peaceful protest without some angry dickwad with a 30 round penis extension turning up and ramping up tensions. The art of peaceful protest has been lost.
I know it's hard to get the facts straight when you have a bias...
1. He didn't turn up on his own at a protest. He was with a group that included his Sister's boyfriend. And no he isn't inexperienced with a gun
2. He didn't just wander around looking for action. At different points he was told where to go and where help was needed.
3. Yes, he was well aware of the danger and he is quite experienced with the riffle.
4 His own mother did not drive him. He drove himself.
Literally every sentence is inaccurate. But go ahead, opine on the matter.
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These are all points of esotery - who fucking cares what's true on any point?
The key thing is this - should it to be legal to carry assault rifles into virtually any public setting?
That's not the key thing. This is just YOUR thing
What should or shouldn't be legal wasn't what was at issue. It was legal to have a gun. He had one. Things went astray. The question is based on the law as it exists, what should the consequences be?
That's the key thing. What you want to discuss, is a side issue best brought up to legislators at the State level. Not at a trial. So in a sense, your discussion while while well and good is not relevant to this particular case. It's more of an intellectual exercise signalling your superior sense of civility. Good for you. But not particularly interesting or new
And for the record, to not care what's true is insane!
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Huh?
My goal is to save lives that would not have been lost otherwise; two in the Rittenhouse case. Maybe he committed no crime. I'm not sure - but I'll concede the point. Why the fuck did two people die then?
Carrying guns into public settings should be outlawed - as the above is going to transpire otherwise. It'll get much worse Dax777, trust me. And for the record it's not just Rittenhouse - that idiot who brandished his pistol, firing a shot into the air - is partially responsible for the two deaths as well.
NOT A GOOD IDEA TO ARM EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE!!!
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I'm willing to compromise though - go ahead and arm yourself to the teeth in your home - I'm against this - but whatever.
The likely outcome of home armament is accidental death to family members - young children accidentally shoot family members - suicide by gun - or unwarranted shooting of perceived/actual trespassers. In all - horrible - but far better than the consequences of open/concealed carry into virtually any public setting.
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It wasn't a peaceful protest, 4 consecutive nights of violent rioting led by a bunch of criminal sociopaths, which caused millions of dollars worth of damage to local businesses, many of them minority owned. To call it peaceful is CNN level gaslighting.
You always come at me as if I had disagreed with you on a point about gun laws. I haven't.
However, I am sidestepping it since it was being conflated with the points at issue in this trial.
Again, I have never made a comment about the policy considerations of gun ownership, Storage, or use.
You seem to be having a 2nd Am discussion in case about Assault, self defense and provocation.
Who cares what the facts are. Let's just all make it up as we go along. Didn't you know that the idiot 17 year old kid just walked around looking for people to shoot?
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hgblue - are you in favor of killing violent protesters?
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I wasn't referring to that particular protest, but peaceful protests in general.
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That's a mighty impressive strawman you've built there. Of course not.
Well he’s quite fond of Trump so I’d err on the side of yes.
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Of course not,they’re all perfect and un chavvyThis 5 months pregnant woman (mother to an 11 year old girl) felt safe in her own hands and had her own gun which she drove home to retrieve, then she pointed it at someone she was angry with and they (no doubt legally) shot her.
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But at least she wasn’t subjected to “chav culture” eh bud? Although it’s not like the US has any teens that are arseholes is it.
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Unless they're storming the Capitol in which case they're just patriots who are exercising their rights to peacefully protest against a "stolen" election.