BlueMoonAcrossThePond
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@domalino, @FogBlueInSanFran
So the WSJ and the NYP have turned on Trump. But has Murdoch? Has prime time Fox News turned?
I think that Murdoch is playing a wait-and-see game.
Murdoch is a businessman - he wants to make money while shaping politics towards the right. And he's not a great fan of Trump.
So what of the WSJ? And the NYP? What audiences do they serve? What do those audiences want to read? How much anti-Trump sentiment might they be willing to tolerate before they cancel their subscriptions?
www.allsides.com
The WSJ is seen as centrist in the survey above (I think it's right leaning, IMO, but whatever); the NYP is seen as moderately right-leaning. Is it surprising that in light of the very high viewership of the 1/6 hearings that both of Murdoch's more moderate outlets serve up what Murdoch wants (not a Trump fan but willing to go along) and what the readership of those publications might be able to tolerate (readers of the WSJ especially might have actually watched the hearings - probably less true of NYP readers)?
Meanwhile, Fox News, especially prime time hosts, remain nearly 100% behind Trump.
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Trump may possibly be brought up on criminal charges from both federal and state authorities - or he may not. But even if he is charged, would that change things? Trump's campaign for office would not - as far as I understand - be illegal - his candidacy for office could continue.
It's expected that Trump will announce his candidacy for office in September, just as the new rounds of 1/6 hearings resume (mea culpa - I did not realize the the hearings were going to continue in my previous posts).
Should Trump announce his candidacy, this is going to put extreme pressure on any prosecutor, State or Federal, to charge Trump, for obvious reasons. In fact, numerous outlets have reported that one of Trump's primary motivations to run for the presidency in 2024 is to escape conviction.
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@domalino RE nothing's changed
I read your reply and fail to see how you addressed any of my central points. Structurally, nothing's changed at all due to the 1/6 hearings. Which is my main point.
I liken the fascist Republicans, and the go-along-for-sake-of-career Republicans to Nazis - they've nothing in common at all with Democratic politics. IMO - the USA is in grave danger of becoming another Hungary under Viktor Orban.
All of the structural problems that led up to Trump remain - and are in fact growing worse.
And as for popular opinion...
Trump is still loved by his base; and hated by never-Trumpers and Democrats. Among undecideds (mind you, these undecideds are the same folks that were undecided about pussy-grabbing, Stand Back and Stand by racist, demagog Trump - willing to forgive all of that - that sort of undecided), perhaps there's been a temporary shift away from Trump - beats me.
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And every time I think I may be batshit crazy - I look to betting odds. Am I in la-la land, where bettors think that Trump is doomed and has no chance - or am I spot on - nothing much has changed, and Trump is the likely next president of the USA.
www.marketwatch.com
And so on.
So the WSJ and the NYP have turned on Trump. But has Murdoch? Has prime time Fox News turned?
I think that Murdoch is playing a wait-and-see game.
Murdoch is a businessman - he wants to make money while shaping politics towards the right. And he's not a great fan of Trump.
So what of the WSJ? And the NYP? What audiences do they serve? What do those audiences want to read? How much anti-Trump sentiment might they be willing to tolerate before they cancel their subscriptions?
Media Bias
Everyone is biased — and that’s okay. But hidden media bias misleads, manipulates and divides us. AllSides makes media bias transparent, helping you to easily identify different perspectives so you can get the full picture and think for yourself.
www.allsides.com
The WSJ is seen as centrist in the survey above (I think it's right leaning, IMO, but whatever); the NYP is seen as moderately right-leaning. Is it surprising that in light of the very high viewership of the 1/6 hearings that both of Murdoch's more moderate outlets serve up what Murdoch wants (not a Trump fan but willing to go along) and what the readership of those publications might be able to tolerate (readers of the WSJ especially might have actually watched the hearings - probably less true of NYP readers)?
Meanwhile, Fox News, especially prime time hosts, remain nearly 100% behind Trump.
===
Trump may possibly be brought up on criminal charges from both federal and state authorities - or he may not. But even if he is charged, would that change things? Trump's campaign for office would not - as far as I understand - be illegal - his candidacy for office could continue.
It's expected that Trump will announce his candidacy for office in September, just as the new rounds of 1/6 hearings resume (mea culpa - I did not realize the the hearings were going to continue in my previous posts).
Should Trump announce his candidacy, this is going to put extreme pressure on any prosecutor, State or Federal, to charge Trump, for obvious reasons. In fact, numerous outlets have reported that one of Trump's primary motivations to run for the presidency in 2024 is to escape conviction.
===
@domalino RE nothing's changed
I read your reply and fail to see how you addressed any of my central points. Structurally, nothing's changed at all due to the 1/6 hearings. Which is my main point.
I liken the fascist Republicans, and the go-along-for-sake-of-career Republicans to Nazis - they've nothing in common at all with Democratic politics. IMO - the USA is in grave danger of becoming another Hungary under Viktor Orban.
All of the structural problems that led up to Trump remain - and are in fact growing worse.
And as for popular opinion...
Trump is still loved by his base; and hated by never-Trumpers and Democrats. Among undecideds (mind you, these undecideds are the same folks that were undecided about pussy-grabbing, Stand Back and Stand by racist, demagog Trump - willing to forgive all of that - that sort of undecided), perhaps there's been a temporary shift away from Trump - beats me.
===
And every time I think I may be batshit crazy - I look to betting odds. Am I in la-la land, where bettors think that Trump is doomed and has no chance - or am I spot on - nothing much has changed, and Trump is the likely next president of the USA.
Trump favored over DeSantis for 2024 Republican nomination ahead of ex-president’s first appearance in D.C. since leaving White House
Former President Donald Trump is far ahead of his nearest potential Republican competitor in 2024 betting markets before he gives a keynote address Tuesday
www.marketwatch.com
And so on.
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