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mexico1970 said:
Didn't I dismiss you already? It'll be a cold day in hell when I take lessons in morals from an American journalist who backed the wrong Horse again.
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As I noted, I'm not a journalist but I guess it's hard to comprehend what you read when there's steam coming out of your ears.

Anyhow, given your behavio(u)r here -- for years, mind -- my guess is you haven't taken those lessons from anybody else either, so I don't feel especially slighted by that TBH.
 
mexico1970 said:
What makes this stuff even more horrendous is that there are people out there who don't add any weight or take seriously the absolute notion that these oddball theories don't carry any weight, people believe ANYTHING these days and can find a nut to back their opinion up.

Remember the 2016 election with their "fact check" slogan from news channels, like journalists and news organisations are the arbiters of truth?
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Well, yeah, good faith journalists and news organisations are arbiters of truth, along with documentarians, historians, scientists, people widely considered to be subject matter experts, and—in many ways—artists of all types.

That’s how “truth” works in society. You hold many things to be “true” because you read them or heard them or saw them or felt them (even tasted them) somewhere, likely from someone of an occupation listed above.

At least, I hope that is the case. Please don’t tell me you are getting your “truth” from bad faith actors, Twxttxr, or the bloke that’s always at your local!
 
SebastianBlue said:
Well, yeah, good faith journalists and news organisations are arbiters of truth, along with documentarians, historians, scientists, people widely considered to be subject matter experts, and—in many ways—artists of all types.

That’s how “truth” works in society. You hold many things to be “true” because you read them or heard them or saw them or felt them (even tasted them) somewhere, likely from someone of an occupation listed above.

At least, I hope that is the case. Please don’t tell me you are getting your “truth” from bad faith actors or the bloke that’s always at your local!
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You can't argue in goods faith that the truth you get is only from your own personally selected arbiter discounting other arbiters as not really truthful.

That's where I am coming from, that's why I mentioned Fox. I am not a conspiracy theorist a flat earther a Trumper a Bidenista or otherwise. I don't believe that Russia did everything although I do blame them for invading Ukraine.

Are you comfortable in just believing the news that you agree with? Are you in agreement that ignoring the wider populace and calling them stupid will fend off populism?

We were talking specifically about journalists not bloody historians or artists.
 
mexico1970 said:
You can't argue in goods faith that the truth you get is only from your own personally selected arbiter discounting other arbiters as not really truthful.

That's where I am coming from, that's why I mentioned Fox. I am not a conspiracy theorist a flat earther a Trumper a Bidenista or otherwise. I don't believe that Russia did everything although I do blame them for invading Ukraine.

Are you comfortable in just believing the news that you agree with? Are you in agreement that ignoring the wider populace and calling them stupid will fend off populism?

We were talking specifically about journalists not bloody historians or artists.
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Where do you get your “truth”?
 
SebastianBlue said:
Where do you get your “truth”?
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Just about everywhere I don't limit myself at all in any way. If I am truly interested in something I wont get my information from just one source or you wont get the full story.

This forum is full of people observing the mantra "Don't believe everything you read" but what they really believe is that you should "believe everything they read".

My comment about journalism isn't exactly groundbreaking.
 
mexico1970 said:
Just about everywhere I don't limit myself at all in any way. If I am truly interested in something I wont get my information from just one source or you wont get the full story.

This forum is full of people observing the mantra "Don't believe everything you read" but what they really believe is that you should "believe everything they read".

My comment about journalism isn't exactly groundbreaking.
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What are your standards for determining if a source is good faith, well-sourced, authoritative, and trustworthy?
 
SebastianBlue said:
What are your standards for determining if a source is good faith, well-sourced, authoritative, and trustworthy?
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As I have stated I have little faith in the sources now, I don't trust journalism or indeed the establishment, furthermore I have very little power to change it or bring it to book.

The one thing I will do is admit that people in power lie and be at least open to being convinced even if I am not really that interested, the two things I don't care for are echo chambers and idealogues.

When a person is invested too deeply in a political mantra it's as if they are in a cult IMHO, devoid of an eclectic healthy diversity of thought.
 
mexico1970 said:
As I have stated I have little faith in the sources now, I don't trust journalism or indeed the establishment, furthermore I have very little power to change it or bring it to book.

The one thing I will do is admit that people in power lie and be at least open to being convinced even if I am not really that interested, the two things I don't care for are echo chambers and idealogues.

When a person is invested too deeply in a political mantra it's as if they are in a cult IMHO, devoid of an eclectic healthy diversity of thought.
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How do you keep abreast of the goings on of the UK, Europe, US, and wider world?
 
SebastianBlue said:
How do you keep abreast of the goings on of the UK, Europe, US, and wider world?
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I read everything I can, what I don't do is dismiss one conspiracy theory and replace it with my own.

There are genuine facts that "opinions" can't change.

Labour won the GE
England lost in the Euro final
The earth isn't flat

I did state that I can't change the wider world therefore I have pretty much no interest in it apart from stepping into discussions on what is a football forum.
 
mexico1970 said:
There are genuine facts that "opinions" can't change.

Labour won the GE
England lost in the Euro final
The earth isn't flat
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True.
And:
Biden won in 2020.
Trump lost some high-profile criminal cases.
Climate change is dangerously heating up our planet.

All of these are verifiable and verified facts but that doesn't stop many, now probably most, Republicans denying them or ignoring them, encouraged by their Leader because it's part of the cult's agenda (yes, "cult" with a 'l".) It's why he has to be stopped in November. There are those of us on this side of the ocean who CAN do something to make that happen.
 
mexico1970 said:
Some say his wig is made of cheese, others say that the claim is nonsense :)
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We still don't really know what happened.
I've heard some outlets report that the bullet hit the teleprompter and he was hit by shards of glass from it. Maybe the bullet never touched him...at the moment not enough evidence to say definitively
 
jim tolmies perm said:
We still don't really know what happened.
I've heard some outlets report that the bullet hit the teleprompter and he was hit by shards of glass from it. Maybe the bullet never touched him...at the moment not enough evidence to say definitively
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There is plenty evidence of course, we just don't know what it is. Will we ever?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s not a brilliant analogy as Robson only managed until he was 72 and it was well-documented at the time that towards the end of his spell at Newcastle it was getting harder for him to command the respect of the players because of his advancing age, most notably Kieran Dyer.

Biden will be 86 when his second term would theoretically end.
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Biden can’t tell the difference between a striker and a No.10.
 
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