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I'm With Stupid said:
If it's only robust with honest operators, then it's not robust.
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There isn’t one then. Like a fiat currency, which is why I used that example. If you don’t trust the faith and credit of the government that backs up a currency, it isn’t worth the paper (or bits) that represent it.

Human history has always been filled with examples of both governments and currencies failing due to a lack of trust.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It is robust but it’s all built on TRUST. Like a fiat currency is. It’s built on the notion that those in the three branches will act in the best interests of their constituents and the nation as a whole (or the Constitution, writ large), as opposed to themselves or a small cadre or subset of America (those also in positions of authority). The danger of a lying tyrant king isn’t so much him, but that dozens/hundreds of others are supposed to keep him in check, not bow to him and put deference to him above deference to America’s interests. This is what oaths are for. They presume honesty, or enough honest people to overcome dishonest ones. In Nixon’s case the rot was largely confined to the executive branch. In Trump’s case, it’s infected all three branches. Hundreds of liars and cheats abandoning their oaths of office to, ironically, keep their offices.
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Is there a way to get rid of all the unqualified judges that Trump stuffed the lower courts with?
 
SWP's back said:
That’s just fucking mental. I honestly used to think the USA’s system of checks and balances was great. But it’s not even close to be a robust system.
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Given the amount of praise that Trump lavished on her after her testimony to the Jan 6 commission I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ginni Thomas was aware that this was inbound when she testified and there is no f*cking way that she wouldn't have discussed it with her husband.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Is there a way to get rid of all the unqualified judges that Trump stuffed the lower courts with?
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Article III judges ( Supreme Court justices, and federal circuit and district judges) can be impeached by Congress following the same procedure to impeach The President (a simple majority vote in the House to impeach and then to remove from office, a Senate trial occurs; a 2/3rd vote in the Senate is required for removal from office).
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Article III judges ( Supreme Court justices, and federal circuit and district judges) can be impeached by Congress following the same procedure to impeach The President (a simple majority vote in the House to impeach and then to remove from office, a Senate trial occurs; a 2/3rd vote in the Senate is required for removal from office).
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So there isn't a practicable solution then.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
So there isn't a practicable solution then.
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Given the evidence in BOTH Trump's impeachment trials and the Republican controlled Senate's refusal to remove from office I'd say that in the current political climate zero chance of that happening, even if there was irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing. It would be dressed up as a Democrat 'Witch Hunt' and Republican Senators would be forced to toe the line over fear of reprisals.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Given the evidence in BOTH Trump's impeachment trials and the Republican controlled Senate's refusal to remove from office I'd say that in the current political climate zero chance of that happening, even if there was irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing. It would be dressed up as a Democrat 'Witch Hunt' and Republican Senators would be forced to toe the line over fear of reprisals.
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Precisely. The rigid constitution which the the Americans are so proud of is actually keeping the fire burning, it is like a sprinkler system that shoots out petrol.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Precisely. The rigid constitution which the the Americans are so proud of is actually keeping the fire burning, it is like a sprinkler system that shoots out petrol.
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The American system has been gerrymanderd for as long as its been going and mosty its slanted to the right in the Senate. The existence of north and south dakota are classic examples of the right bumping up their representative presence. If politics in the US were all subject to proportional representation then it would be a strong Dem majority in both houses. And that is without Washington DC and Puerto Rico.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Given the amount of praise that Trump lavished on her after her testimony to the Jan 6 commission I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ginni Thomas was aware that this was inbound when she testified and there is no f*cking way that she wouldn't have discussed it with her husband.
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I think the likely process would have been considered beforehand, and this was one of the options reviewed.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Given the evidence in BOTH Trump's impeachment trials and the Republican controlled Senate's refusal to remove from office I'd say that in the current political climate zero chance of that happening, even if there was irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing. It would be dressed up as a Democrat 'Witch Hunt' and Republican Senators would be forced to toe the line over fear of reprisals.
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It would soak up Congress time completely too.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Precisely. The rigid constitution which the the Americans are so proud of is actually keeping the fire burning, it is like a sprinkler system that shoots out petrol.
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Their 'rigorous' system of checks and balances BARELY prevented a coup, and that isn't even hyperbole. For that to happen in the self-proclaimed greatest democracy in the world should be a huge wake up call for everyone.
 
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