US Politics Thread

[bluesteel]

To be honest, there is so much wrong with your posts from an economic theory and reality standpoint I am not sure I have the energy, especially after that match today, to break them down point-by-point. You got a few facts correct (basic understanding of the current stats of dollars position as a reserve currency, stating that the economy is different to the equity markets), but your analysis is based on false assumptions or wholly incorrect understanding of how markets work (and the current state of them), how elements of Trump’s proposed economic policies would actually impact the US (and world) economy, and the implications of China’s ongoing economic and geopolitical policies and actions (domestically, with US, and across the world).

As far as your political analysis and forecasting, my counter view is based on extreme disagreement with your base stance and assumptions, as well. But that would be entirely opinion driven, if I do consider mine to be educated and informed, so not sure there is any point in arguing on those points. Neither of us are likely to change the other’s position.

I appreciate that, I was going to suggest a breakdown as it’s multi-faceted, but like you said, it’s so so complex and I understand.

I think I have a better understanding than most, whilst I don’t have a career in the markets I have successfully traded them over two decades.

You clearly think the democrats will win though, I wouldn’t be so confident, that’s not a debate though and we’ll see soon.

 

[west didsblue]

This is absolute nonsense and, once more, I know you are intelligent enough to know it is.

I don’t call you a Good German because you won’t “join in on the hate”, whatever that even means.

I call you that because you meet the definition, staying “neutral” (even though you are actually taking a side) in the face of the rise of an increasingly dangerous and inhumane movement in the US and Europe. You’ve chosen a side, whilst trying to disingenuously claim you haven’t.

And to say there is totalitarian behaviour and abuse in this thread because people call you out on your constant ignorant takes (that you never acknowledge were wrong even after being conclusively shown to be) and intentional trolling bullshite is utterly pathetic. Especially coming from someone that constantly says that all opinions should be welcomed in the thread and responses are why the forum exists.

The irony is you spend more time in the US politics threads than most any of us, and could easily be accused of “policing” them.

Easier to just call him a dick and ignore him from now on.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Easier to just call him a dick and ignore him from now on.

I’ve tried that and have admittedly failed miserably.

Suppose I should try again, though, as continually sparing with disingenuous cunts who get their jollies from frustrating others (or even seemingly the suffering of others) is definitely not good for your health.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

This is absolute nonsense and, once more, I know you are intelligent enough to know it is.

I don’t call you a Good German because you won’t “join in on the hate”, whatever that even means.

I call you that because you meet the definition, staying “neutral” (even though you are actually taking a side) in the face of the rise of an increasingly dangerous and inhumane movement in the US and Europe. You’ve chosen a side, whilst trying to disingenuously claim you haven’t.

And to say there is totalitarian behaviour and abuse in this thread because people call you out on your constant ignorant takes (that you never acknowledge were wrong even after being conclusively shown to be) and intentional trolling bullshite is utterly pathetic. Especially coming from someone that constantly says that all opinions should be welcomed in the thread and responses are why the forum exists.

The irony is you spend more time in the US politics threads than most any of us, and could easily be accused of “policing” them.

Why does everyone in your head have to have a 'side'. It's odd to say the least. I find the political situation in the US interesting, I think Kamala is a better option than trump for reasons I've stated many times and I've not had anything particularly positive to say about trump. Just because I've not radicalised myself online into thinking trump is Hitler and Kamala is great does not make me a supporter of either.
You are totalitarian in that you spend most of your time on here jumping on any views that don't fit your own, constantly accuse other posters of various things and try to get people to not engage with posters you don't like. That is actually fairly dodgy.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Why does everyone in your head have to have a 'side'. It's odd to say the least. I find the political situation in the US interesting, I think Kamala is a better option than trump for reasons I've stated many times and I've not had anything particularly positive to say about trump. Just because I've not radicalised myself online into thinking trump is Hitler and Kamala is great does not make me a supporter of either.
You are totalitarian in that you spend most of your time on here jumping on any views that don't fit your own, constantly accuse other posters of various things and try to get people to not engage with posters you don't like. That is actually fairly dodgy.

If you are “neutral” during the rise of fascism, then you have chosen the side of fascism.

The fact you think I have “radicalised myself online” shows you haven’t actually read any of my posts (even the ones in response to you), which shows how disingenuous your criticism really is.

And the irony in that last sentence is so strong it should come with a warning label.

You are the biggest troll in these threads and many, many people have called you out on that, not just me.

Anyway, I am done. Take a victory lap, you’ve worn me down.

 

[moomba]

Just because I've not radicalised myself online into thinking trump is Hitler and Kamala is great does not make me a supporter of either.

A bit disingenuous there. Criticising someone for racist, sexist and general offensive comments does not equate to thinking Trump is the next Hitler.

And preferring his opponent doesn't equate to thinking she is great.

And it's not a great surprise when people question the neutrality of someone whose first thought isn't to criticise racist, misogynistic and generally offensive words and behaviours but to criticise or question those who find those words and behaviours unacceptable.

Not saying this is you (you're far more subtle than that) but there's more than one or two of those neutrals on this forum.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

A bit disingenuous there. Criticising someone for racist, sexist and general offensive comments does not equate to thinking Trump is the next Hitler.

And preferring his opponent doesn't equate to thinking she is great.

And it's not a great surprise when people question the neutrality of someone whose first thought isn't to criticise racist, misogynistic and generally offensive words and behaviours but to criticise or question those who find those words and behaviours unacceptable.

Not saying this is you (you're far more subtle than that) but there's more than one or two of those neutrals on this forum.

I've criticised trump for plenty, and don't defend his comments ever. I just don't agree with the 'next hitler' rhetoric. Just because I don't agree doesn't make me a 'good German' or an enabler of trump.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I've criticised trump for plenty, and don't defend his comments ever. I just don't agree with the 'next hitler' rhetoric. Just because I don't agree doesn't make me a 'good German' or an enabler of trump.

I mean, his rhetoric is Hitlerian. Question is whether he’d ever truly be able with the context of today’s America to go down some of the fascist, dictatorial paths Hitler did. Personally I don’t think so — though I must say the LA Times and Washington Post’s refusal to endorse anyone was a very bad sign IMO.

 

[robbieh]

Kamala is involved in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. For me that is as bad as anything that Trump did while in office. He may go on to do worse. He probably will.

I wouldn't vote for either person or either party were I able.

Feel sorry for people who live there.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I mean, his rhetoric is Hitlerian. Question is whether he’d ever truly be able with the context of today’s America to go down some of the fascist, dictatorial paths Hitler did. Personally I don’t think so — though I must say the LA Times and Washington Post’s refusal to endorse was a very bad sign.

I think his worst ideas are as unlikely to be implemented as his economic promises. I still think there are too many checks and balances in the system - the largest being that 10000 people are involved/ appointed in a new American government. It's not just trump and his maga inner circle. He had a difficult relationship with the intelligence community and senior military staff officers last time, so I think there are also barriers to extremism there.