US Politics Thread

[mancity2012_eamo]

Sure. But politics to some extent is a popularity context.
The most honest, moral or capable people are not always the most compelling. America doesn't have a shortage of capable politicians. They just often are not as popular or as favored as the less capable.

But also ideology puts some shade on it. Generally Democrats/liberals don't find conservatives capable and vice versa.

In my estimation, there are 2 types of Republicans, liberals tend to like... Ones that have already lost - Romney, etc. Or ones that can't win. Nikki Haley. In short, it sounds like liberals ( subconsciously perhaps) like Conservatives that lose or will lose to Democrats.

In fairness, most liberal who I think fit all 3 criteria also will most likely never win a Democratic primary... Josh Shapiro being the most obvious example...

As for politicians who are capable of expressing the views of their faction most eloquently to the public, Pete Buttigieg and J. D Vance strike me as the 2 most capable I've seen so far

And their honesty and morality are both of high standards. But I can't speak to either's capabilities as an executive. JD Vance was a Senator with little experience running the executive branch. And Buttigieg time as the Secretary of Transportation can be at best described as unimpressive.

I generally favor Governor of States over Senators or Congressmen. Because the Governorship gives ample experience.

To that effect Josh Shapiro for Democrats and Ron Desantis for Republicans would be the 2 best all round fits. But Pete and JD are far more likely to be compelling candidates.

In asking the question I’m more than aware of the same question being applicable to any country and I’m currently focusing on our own national election looming large on the horizon.

Can I further the train of thought by asking, do you feel the American system of government and electoral preferences allow or make it easy for the likes of the people being mentioned by yourself and others, to come to the fore. To reach positions where their morality/ability/public first concepts are possible to roll out.

I’m sure local elections or state governance must have people in positions that benefit local communities.

Is the nature of the federal states government making it easy to have uniformity across the country in what is wanted, no.1 and secondly what each state/community sees as desirable may be different.

Back home here we have two, possibly three major parties that will be in government. Labour are decimated and the left in general are so split between independents and numerous minor factions.
However, with proportional representation, in my own constituency which is one of the larger ones, a Labour candidate was elected last time and the real possibility is that one will again along with one of each major party and maybe a Green or Independent also.

It means local interests in a national parliament are represented.

Do our American brethren in here favour their system or would you have suggestions on how to tweak it. Are each state run independently anyway?

 

[Dax777]

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In asking the question I’m more than aware of the same question being applicable to any country and I’m currently focusing on our own national election looming large on the horizon.

Can I further the train of thought by asking, do you feel the American system of government and electoral preferences allow or make it easy for the likes of the people being mentioned by yourself and others, to come to the fore. To reach positions where their morality/ability/public first concepts are possible to roll out.

I’m sure local elections or state governance must have people in positions that benefit local communities.

Is the nature of the federal states government making it easy to have uniformity across the country in what is wanted, no.1 and secondly what each state/community sees as desirable may be different.

Back home here we have two, possibly three major parties that will be in government. Labour are decimated and the left in general are so split between independents and numerous minor factions.
However, with proportional representation, in my own constituency which is one of the larger ones, a Labour candidate was elected last time and the real possibility is that one will again along with one of each major party and maybe a Green or Independent also.

It means local interests in a national parliament are represented.

Do our American brethren in here favour their system or would you have suggestions on how to tweak it. Are each state run independently anyway?

In fairness, the people we are mentioning are all at the fore of American politics. Part of the reason why we know them is because they are.

I can't speak to how well local politicians may do outside of the local politician my City/ State

The rest of your questions are a little more complicated for me to answer, since I'm not as well versed in the system ran over on your side.

I'll differ to the guys who are knowledgeable about both systems.

But as a general rule, the Federal Government is supposed to have limited powers. I.e powers enumerated in the Constitution. And everything else, in theory , should be left to the Individual States.

However, over time the, the Federal Government has amassed more power and reach. So it's a bit murky.

In its simplest form, representation comes in the form of the Membership from each State to the Senate and from each district to Congress. And those 2 bodies primarily make laws. The President ( voted by the public ) then simply is charged with the execution of those Laws in addition to specific powers reserved to the President.

Can't tell you if it's better or worse than what you have

 

[Blue Maverick]

The USA is fucked, the man can do anything he wants, no one is above the law, if @Dax777 can even think any part of this is right he’s deluded as the millions who voted for the ****. Allowed to quash the hush money case because it could interfere with his duties as president, what utter shit.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Sadly, this is not a parody account. An actual serving Republican member of the Senate actually posted this. I dread to think what dirt Putin has on this guy.

 

[Username Required]

One of the most underrated damaging moments for Democrats this cycle was when Biden at the SOTU acknowledged American Citizen Laken Riley was murdered by an illegal alien and Democrats demanded he apologize for calling the murderer illegal.

And he did. On leftist lying going-out-of-business MSNBC. lol

 

[Username Required]

DEMS: "This isn't fair, this isn't right, this isn't American! Pam Bondi won't be independent of Literally Hitler!"

ALSO DEMS: "Awesome man. Holder is super loyal to Barrack Obama. Did you hear Eric Holder say he was Obama's 'Wingman?' Hell yeah!"

 

[Dax777]

One of the most underrated damaging moments for Democrats this cycle was when Biden at the SOTU acknowledged American Citizen Laken Riley was murdered by an illegal alien and Democrats demanded he apologize for calling the murderer illegal.

And he did. On leftist lying going-out-of-business MSNBC. lol

Even sadder, he mispronounced Laken Riley's name and correctly called her killer and illegal.

But the MSN uproar was not on him goofing on the victim's name, but rather on him not using the leftist approved euphemism for the killer.

You couldn't make a movie this unrealistic. Lol

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I'm increasingly convinced conservatives watch MSNBC a lot more than liberals do.

It probably WOULD go out of business if YOU'D just stop watching it, you fucking idiots!

Seriously, I don't think I've ever watched it once, other than I know who Maddow is. I don't want to hear histrionics from anyone regardless. Of course, I'm not the audience either.

That said I have shifted to Bloomberg over CNBC because the latter is now 35% politics instead 100% business news.

 

[lloydie]

DEMS: "This isn't fair, this isn't right, this isn't American! Pam Bondi won't be independent of Literally Hitler!"

ALSO DEMS: "Awesome man. Holder is super loyal to Barrack Obama. Did you hear Eric Holder say he was Obama's 'Wingman?' Hell yeah!"

Bought and paid for!

How many times over we'll discover as the stench of corruption slowly drips from the festering arsehole of the Trumpist cult.

Tristan Snell (@tristansnell.bsky.social)

The REAL story on Pam Bondi, Trump University, and Trump's $25,000 payment to Bondi: 1/ In August 2013, I was at the NY AG, and Bondi was Florida AG. On August 24, 2013, I filed the NY AG's prosecution of Trump University and Donald Trump, for $42 million in fraud.

bsky.app

 

[Username Required]

Even sadder, he mispronounced Laken Riley's name and correctly called her killer and illegal.

But the MSN uproar was not on him goofing on the victim's name, but rather on him not using the leftist approved euphemism for the killer.

You couldn't make a movie this unrealistic. Lol

Don't forget, if you write "black" instead of "Black" you're a Nazi racist bigot.
Don't forget, if you write "White" instead of "white" you're a Nazi racist bigot.

And don't ever forget, if you write "Kiev" instead of, well, whatever, you're a Russian asset.