super_city_si
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He comes across as very angry and bitter. Continues to say he's an independent but continually posts about owning the 'libs'
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mancity2012_eamo
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You’re not wrong Dax but I just thought the name calling and ‘loser’ ‘get over it’, stuff might have died down in here and an actual debate about ‘what now’, might break out.In so far as he is the incoming President, it only makes sense that some of the stories and arguments for and against him will end up in the U.S. Politics thread.
I mean the man was out of office for 4 years and half the posts here during that period was still about ridiculing and bashing him.
In spite of having his own thread and not being in office. Even the Biden and Kamala threads became a Trump comparison thread. Rather than a thread focused on their own competence or lack thereof.
But very few saw the need to point out the ' whataboutery' of it all.
super_city_si
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If he's still alive he'll try and pull that stunt the joker in South Korea tried. However, there's no one left to push back and hold hi accountable like the Koreans had so it'll probably workI suspect he'll periodically mention a 3rd term, but the Constitution forbids it. I think they're quite a way yet from overturning that bar.
Also, he'll be 82 by the next election, and he may be in obvious decline. As has been said, the party may be happy to be rid of him and continue with someone smarter and harder working.
The open question is how much of the Project 2025 stuff gets acted on. The huge savings that Musk rants about, and the claimed mass firings of civil servants, etc, could cause mayhem that's difficult to predict right now.
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More leftist Claptrap. When would this people ever learn to not believe their own bullshit.Fascinating read providing insight into America's foreign policy leading up to Trump. Extremely worth the while to view.
MillionMilesAway
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If he's still alive he'll try and pull that stunt the joker in South Korea tried. However, there's no left to push back and hold hi accountable like the Koreans had so it'll probably work
I've no idea what there is in the way of martial law in the US, but I'd think that his VP, who presumably wants to succeed him, would take action to undo such a thing.
r.soleofsalford
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More leftist Claptrap. When would this people ever learn to not believe their own bullshit.
I think there are quite a few are thinking this about you.
You can ignore the personal attack stuff.You’re not wrong Dax but I just thought the name calling and ‘loser’ ‘get over it’, stuff might have died down in here and an actual debate about ‘what now’, might break out.
The discussion will flow with some of that negative talk intertwined no matter what. People who are philosophically opposed will struggle not to make it personal every now and then. I personally try not to, but even I fail at it often.
But a fair discussion can occur anyway.
ChicagoBlue
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Dax,I think Foggy is mostly wrong in his prognosis.
Let me address each point
1. Lame Duck Presidency: On this he is technically righ. It's his 2nd term so he isn't running again. But that would in effect really kick in after the midterms in 2 years.
Right now he has 2 years to run his agenda. And the Republicans are not supporting him simply because they are beholden to him. They are doing so because it's mostly their agenda. They are Republicans after all. So they will mostly support him. Just like the Democrats would have done to a Democrat President.
2. Two key Reasons Why he ran: Polishing his Wealth brand and avoiding prosecution. This is just silly. Perhaps there is some truth to the latter. Seeing as Democrats are so blood thirsty that they feel a need to jail their opponents. But my sense is had he decided he was done with politics in 2021, none of the prosecutions would have started. They were started to stop him politically. So he could have simply avoided them by simply not running or signalling that he wouldn't run. It's no surprise most of the prosecutions all started late.
As for polishing his Money Making Brand, that's just silly. I don't understand how so many don't see it. He is a 78 year old billionaire... Money is NOT the motivating factor for running...it's obvious what he wants...
A Political Legacy and Adulation of fans...
Those are the 2 things he has been chasing for over a decade. If you fed him some Truth Serum, I'd bet money he'd say what he wants is for the Trump name to be thought of likethe Kennedy name. That's what he really wants! A last legacy. Being a random rich guy doesn't give you that.
3. Wildcard: Yes, on this Foggy is right. He is a wildcard. And he generally intends to break things that haven't worked for ages and bust up traditions that have coalesced around a particular type in Washington for generations.
4. His Policy and Lack of interest in doing work. This also is partly true. Donald Trump himself has little interest in the day to day grind of. Government work. That's not his forte. But we've has a President that did absolutely no work for 4 years so that shouldn't be much of an issue.
But what Donald Trump wants to do is appoint passionate people who have severe and well documented criticisms of certain branches of government that he agrees with, and have those people reorganize how things ought to be done in those departments.
Take any of his cabinet picks ( outside of the Department of Education - which he is clearly in favor of abolishing), any of the others. And simply go Google any long form interviews they've done. on the last 5 years. Ir easily becomes clear why they are on his list.
What you'd find is a throve of videos of them discussing the problems with the very department Trump is now putting them up to lead. They all have strong views about different aspects of the organization they are being tasked to oversee.
Pete Hegseth DOD
Kash Patel: FBI
Tulsi Gabbard: DNI
RFK: HHS
Even the Matt Gaetz at DOJ before he resigned nominations... And on and on....
They all fit the same model, have a passion for how they think that particular organization should be reformed.
Then there is Vivek and Elon at DOGE recommending cuts to the government everywhere. Even Bernie Sanders and a few other populist lefties have gotten on board the idea
From a Bird's eye view, what Trump represents is an Extreme Reformer who is seeking Personal Legacy... Whether he succeeds or fails is a 50/50 proposition. But what he is about to attempt seems pretty massive.
Here are definite predictions. He WILL NOT seek a 3rd term. He'd be 82. The idea he will is so silly. Dude isn't really a politician. People forget that.
And he'd attempt a massive government reform in the next 2 years. Some will be successful and others will get massive push back from entrenched interests.
On the economic front, he'll pass a tax break measure, he'll cut regulations related to oil exploration and production, then on the Presidential Front, he'll sign a bunch of orders to repeat all of Biden's dumb border orders.
Tariffs are going to be a big issue. It's clear he wants to use them as a negotiation tool. But leftists will whine about it so much that they'll probably give away the leverage and force him to backdown before the other countries make concessions.
In Foreign Policy: He'll negotiate his ass off to end the Ukraine/Russia war. And take a no nonsense attitude towards Iran and Qatar as it relates to releasing American born hostages in Hamas's camps.
While all that is going on, the other team will do their best to undermine everything he tries and they'll ascribe some negative personal interest to every action he takes.
One thing is for sure, it's going to be a roller coaster ride the next 2 years. But as it relates to Americans, he needs to speed up the economic recovery ( so it's not just paper good) and shut the border down and remove as many criminals who entered over the last 4 years.
You do that infuriating thing where you sprinkle your shit with just enough sugar that it’s hard to separate the two, or discuss the shit or the sugar without serious effort.
You clearly know your stuff, but then you run off, well beyond the facts, into Trumpdom’s talking points.
I guess I’m just going to have to start every response with “Yes, but…” for the next 4 years! :-)
A few things we know:
He’s the consummate narcissist.
He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know, which is too much and far more than anyone else who has ever held the office.
He has little to no interest in domestic politics and policies, except where they intersect with his own personal financial interests.
He is very interested in being the big swinging dick on the international stage, because he believes the title POTUS MAKES HIM the big swinging dick in world affairs and he is going to swing away, regardless of the long term geopolitical damage he might cause. Those headlines will be written long after he’s gone and he’s all about appearances NOW!
He thinks he’s the smartest person in every room he enters, when the reverse is often true, especially out in the world, away from the ring kissers.
Speaking of ring kissers, that is required of anyone who wants anything from him. The Cabinet picks illustrate this in spades.
As the head of a crime family involved in a large scale criminal enterprise, the POTUS title has saved him (and his friends and associates) from prosecution, which was another prime motivator to seek a second term.
Lastly, I have no idea what anyone with a brain sees in him. He is a lying, low IQ, grifter who learned his trade (using the tax system to enrich himself at the expense of others) from a corrupt father and has taught it to his children. At this point, they produce nothing other than licensing deals to trade on the name, much like “Mr Wonderful” on Shark Tank, another nasty little fucker who leverages the little people to keep the money train moving down the tracks.
I’m glad to hear him taking credit for the new booming economy, record stock market, US oil & gas drilling leading the world, and telling everyone that he wants credit for everything positive since Nov 5th, even though it was all painstakingly built before he changed his diaper to play dress up.
In many ways, that date is ironic, because America, much like England back in the day, watched a guy of foreign descent try to blow up Government! The big difference, of course, is that Donald Drumpf looks to be succeeding where Guido failed!
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Trevor Morley's Tache
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He's fully intent in grifting the shit out of the next 4 years.A fair point on two years vs four.
I would bet he’s not a billionaire equity-wise. Asset-wise — especially using his valuation of his trade name — for sure. And I am quite certain his running he sees as a chance to boost his liquidity.
He is anti leftist. How is this hard to understand? There is way more than enough crazy stuff brewing on the far left to turn a decent person's stomach.He comes across as very angry and bitter. Continues to say he's an independent but continually posts about owning the 'libs'
The fact that most decent 'lean left' folks here hand wave away some of these views, while saving their venom for anyone right of center is interesting in of itself and something history probably needs to study.