US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

[nasrislookalike]

It’s so frustrating to read posts like this. Gee, chief, it’s been nine years since Trump walked down the escalator. You think folks haven’t tried to talk and reason and understand the other side in all that time? What the fuck is there left to discuss? Trumpism is a cult. Ever try to talk about atheism with a Jehovah’s Witness? Families and friendships have been irrevocably destroyed here. Maybe a little understanding on your part as opposed to criticism, eh?

Of course I understand that there have been attempts from both sides to find reason but I'm not entirely sure what hurling insults at someone with the opposing opinion really achieves. I've seen examples from both sides where there attempts to defend there beliefs come across as cultlike.

 

[johnny crossan]

It doesn't really matter what people say or do on a football forum, in all honesty, but it does matter what the democrats make out of the reasons a near majority of voters keep voting for Trump. Hopefully they have some better approach than I'm not listening because they are all idiots.

Personally, I'm not so sure there is much Harris, for example, could do in four years.

Is there another example who could do better perhaps? For me the Democrats' failure to find and promote an early replacement for Biden is absolutely pivotal. The whole world could pay a heavy price for that colossal mistake if their late sub doesn't win today.

 

[inbetween]

I still think Harris will win comfortably. The betting follows the money and the money follows the polls. The polls are based upon miniscule samples of people and are almost always wrong. They're more likely to be correct months before the election before bias and Harris led at that point, tons of people haven't just suddenly switched to Trump.

It could go either way but I just can't see Trump winning the really close swing states such as Pennsylvania. It really depends which poll you believe but some have her winning by 3-4%, others it's 50/50 but Trump never seems to lead.

I think even places like Georgia and Nevada will go closer than the polling currently suggests. Either way none of it is posting towards a Trump win. He has a 50/50 chance at best but any other result seems to lean towards Harris.

 

[nasrislookalike]

Is it? Throughout its history, it’s been rare for the country to be politically united, save for when faced with an external threat, so this year is little different from elections in the last two centuries, though the party faithful and media ballyhoo might have you believe otherwise.

I can only talk about the recent history I have lived through and appreciate that the UK and US are almost never politically united however tensions continue to rise as a result of both sides digging their heels in further.

 

[youngbob]

Yes. Significantly, but not overwhelmingly. It will get considerably worse over the next four years, of that I’m sure.

Yeah, I was being charitable, to be honest. My granddad was diagnosed with vascular dementia in 2015 but he'd been showing symptoms for about two years before that point. He was 78 upon diagnosis, the same age Trump is now. And Trump reminds me of where my granddad was in roughly 2013. Still the same guy 99% of the time but really losing confidence and volume in his voice, and taking that bit longer to process information.

The other thing is the eyes. I saw it in Biden around the time he was elected and now I see it in Trump - dementia patients just get a look in their eyes and once you've seen it in a close relative you can't help but spot it everywhere else. It's hard to put your finger on it but it just slowly appears, even before their minds start going. They start looking through things instead of at them. And it's just come into Trump's public behaviour - largely since the shooting.

 

[supercity88]

I think there are wider issues about the divisions in society (both here and in the US) that are being fuelled by social media, the decline of western hegemony and a significant uptick in mental health issues.

And yes, we need to try and understand each other better and try and find more common ground. As a centrist, that has always been my base political instinct - but there have to be limits to that approach and that is how I feel about Trump, who is utterly malign and poisonous.

Social media is having a major impact. It's lowered the bar on truth. Completely unverified nonsense is being presented as if it is fact, all carefully programmed to the individual based on what they click on. My wife's step Dad is very right wing and spouts so much nonsense. His facebook pages are full of it. Mine would present a completely different world, if I ever used it. Because we move at a fast pace and fake news can soon spiral out of control, politicians are also keen to present misleading information that gets them positivity, knowing most people will not bother sense-checking what they're told. I use the new hospitals example as case in point. But there are so many "facts" we're given which are selectively using data and ignoring the truth. It's like saying City are absolutely shite and in crisis and that Pep is overseeing one of our worst periods in recent history. He's lost two games, there's the evidence. Why present the bigger and more accurate picture if it doesn't suit your argument?

And in this world, it's easy for career cunts like Trump to get into power. Anything negative is a lie. Claim positives where they don't exist. And if you don't like the results then incite violence and point the finger elsewhere. Pretty easy when you have a population that's so manipulated by social media and doesn't give a shit about facts. We've seen it in this country too with the response to the Southport attack.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Of course I understand that there have been attempts from both sides to find reason but I'm not entirely sure what hurling insults at someone with the opposing opinion really achieves. I've seen examples from both sides where there attempts to defend there beliefs come across as cultlike.

No, you don’t understand, or you wouldn’t have posted what you did. I mean, one side invaded the Capitol because they didn’t like the results of 2020. Explain please how you reason with a mob holding up a noose to lynch the Vice President. What’s the rational counter-argument? Even NICK FUENTES called Trumpism a cult. Nick Fuentes!!

You’re out of your depth here.

 

[moomba]

Hope Trump wipes the floor with them, i say them as its clear that shithouse Obama is still running the show, everybody is entitled to their opinion and I really want Trump to win , I refuse to be influenced by the media and do my own research and have visited the States regularly and have done under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, Obama, Trump & Biden and having spoken to a lot of Americans they say things have never been as bad as it currently is and all the negativity and hatred being currently spoken is coming from the Democrats

Every accusation is a confession.

 

[nasrislookalike]

No, you don’t understand, or you wouldn’t have posted what you did. I mean, one side invaded the Capitol because they didn’t like the results of 2020. Explain please how you reason with a mob holding up a noose to lynch the Vice President. What’s the rational counter-argument? Even NICK FUENTES called Trumpism a cult. Nick Fuentes!!

You’re out of your depth here.

At no point have I mentioned reasoning with a mob, this is currently being discussed on a football forum and yet people are still hurling insults and unable to have any sort of civil conversation. I highly doubt that anyone in this thread marched on the capitol but if I am wrong and you are reading this then please make yourself known as that will send this thread down a rather interesting path.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

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