US Tariff War

BlueHammer85

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Feel this deserves a separate thread, but delete if you like.

Seems Trumps tariffs could have big consequences on the US and globally. Canada and Mexico have hit back

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Canada and Mexico have hit back with retaliatory tariffs on President Donald Trump's steep tax on goods imported from its neighbours.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum both announced the counter-tariffs on Saturday night.

Mr Trudeau said Canada would impose 25% tariffs on $155bn Canadian dollars (£85.9bn) of US goods in response to Trumps 25% tariffs on goods. Energy imported from Canada, including oil, natural gas and electricity, would be taxed at a rate of 10%.

Mr Trudeau opened his speech with a passionate message aimed at American consumers.

"It will have real consequences for you, the American people," he said, saying it would result in higher prices on groceries and other goods.

The outgoing prime minister channelled the views of many Canadians who feel betrayed by their neighbour and longtime ally.

Mr Trudeau reminded Americans that Canadian troops fought alongside them in Afghanistan and helped them respond to domestic crises including the wildfires in California and Hurricane Katrina.

Mr Trump said on social media that the tariffs - a longstanding campaign promise - were necessary "to protect Americans".

But the taxes may throw the global economy into turmoil and significantly worsen inflation in the US - which has already increased the prices of groceries, fuel, housing, cars and other goods.

A new analysis by the Budget Lab at Yale University found that the average US household would lose the equivalent of $1,170 US dollars (£944) in income from the tariffs. The research also found that economic growth would slow and inflation would worsen - especially if Canada, Mexico and China retaliate.

"It doesn't make much economic sense," said William Reinsch, senior adviser at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies and a former US trade official.
 
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Be interesting to see how this escalates if Trumpy increases them again in retaliation to the Mexican and Canadian retaliation. The US dollar is the 'world' currency and the Americans are the only ones who can print dollars, imagine if it wasn't?
 
Be interesting to see how this escalates if Trumpy increases them again in retaliation to the Mexican and Canadian retaliation. The US dollar is the 'world' currency and the Americans are the only ones who can print dollars, imagine if it wasn't?

Legally that's true but I'm sure other countries could develop forged notes sophisticated enough to fool checks.

If you believe it was the North Koreans behind the superdollar then one country already has.


Add in swarms of low-cost drones to the mix and thunderbirds are go.

 
The tariff issue reminded me of this….they’re not new :)

“In matters of commerce the fault of the Dutch,
is offering too little and asking too much.
The French are, with equal advantage, content.
So we slap on Dutch bottoms twenty percent.”

George Canning. British PM, Politician & Diplomat

He was a tad more capable than Trump, and Canning was widely considered to be somewhat of a genius.

President Donald Trump is playing a dangerous game.
 
Still trying to work out who this benefits if no one backs down. On the face of it no one, but usually wealth finds a way - there was plenty of money made in both world wars and the depression for those 'betting on the right horses'

A handful will benefit hugely financially as usual whilst the majority are worse off.

Nothing is by accident.
 
What I don't understand is, if the country slapping on the tariff pays it, why would countries put them on to basically tax their own people? Don't get it.
 
What I don't understand is, if the country slapping on the tariff pays it, why would countries put them on to basically tax their own people? Don't get it.

It puts the price on imported goods up to the consumer.
Consumer may then look for a cheaper alternative.
The producer of imported goods gets less sales and less money.
 
What I don't understand is, if the country slapping on the tariff pays it, why would countries put them on to basically tax their own people? Don't get it.

It's to favour domestic products. Coupled with coherent domestic economic planning it actually makes a lot of sense in the context of protectionism.

Or it's just a tit for tat in response to other tariffs.

 
Exactly so when Canada puts 25 percent tariffs on USA it affects Canadians.

Er, yes it would, but what else are they meant to do? I'm puzzled over what your point is.

The same principle applies - imports from the US will be more expensive, so Canadians may move to a cheaper alternative, and the US producer gets less money.
 
It's to favour domestic products. Coupled with coherent domestic economic planning it actually makes a lot of sense in the context of protectionism.

Or it's just a tit for tat in response to other tariffs.


I was particularly amused that 95% of avocados in the US are imported from Mexico (according to reports). That suggests that there won't be any serious alternative producer than paying higher prices in the US.
 
Er, yes it would, but what else are they meant to do? I'm puzzled over what your point is.

The same principle applies - imports from the US will be more expensive, so Canadians may move to a cheaper alternative, and the US producer gets less money.
I don't really have a point, I'm just trying to get my head round a very complicated financial situation.
 

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