Use of statistics in the modern game - interesting read

BlueHubert

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Read this, and thought it might interest others as it is about what is happening at City. Really, really interesting.

The link was taken from sadcafe...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1PdQhUqN0@katehelencarter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/9471db52 ... elencarter</a>

Enjoy!
 
It's been posted before mate...

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But thanks anyway.
 
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Not a fool proof method, but a way of decreasing risk. Unfortunately humans and risk of actions can be unquantifiable.
 
awesome article. this really has taken over baseball here in the states and I see it as a good thing all around. also cool to know how much billy beane is into football. respect.
 
Clive Woodwood used all this kind of data analysis for England Rugby Union when we won the 6 Nations and the World Cup in 2003. He thought he could bring it to football and become a coach - I think it was at Southampton - but I think the club wimped out of getting him in the end because they weren't sure about the appointment.

Data isn't fool proff though. Variables are so high that situations can change in an instant that no data could ever prepare you for.

I would like to see more statistical information on MCFC.co.uk. Great looking website but it lacks so much substance it's untrue. Once you've watched some of the more interesting and worthwhile videos the rest of the website is a bit useless and boring.
 
Interesting article, but there's so much within it that seems overstated.

The first thing to address is that we are dealing with probabilities here. Just because David Silva passes to Dzeko on the ground 50% of the time, doesn't mean that you should ignore the ball over the top to Balo. Statistical analysis is a help that allows us an unbiased evaluation of some aspects of the sport, rather than a prediction mechanism.

Secondly, and I say this as a computer programmer, there is no way at all to model football correctly programmatically. The reply that the article gives to this is:

For a start, good mathematicians can handle complex systems. At Chelsea, for instance, one of Forde’s statisticians has a past in insurance modelling. Football – a game of 22 men played on a limited field with set rules – is not of unparalleled complexity.

The problem though, is that this isn't a system of 22 played with set rules. This is a system of 22 variabe within a limited space and a set ruleset that entirely depends on numerous variables for each decision taken by each of the 22 variables. This would be an NP-complete problem, it's the travelling salesman with 22 salesmen and an unlimited number of cities with each salesmen only allowed to be in one at a time. Computationally, it is impossible to model the game to any degree of accuracy which is why games like Football Manager don't try and just use a very simple decision making overlord system instead.
Football is a game of space; the creation, defending and exploitation of it.

Statistics are currently useful as benchmark guides to past performance which is useful for managers to guide their training sessions, transfers or game plans. Attaching any more importance to them, is the folly of a fool.
 
It was the use of statistics that led to the FA being proponents of the long ball game for so many years.
 
roaminblue said:
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Not a fool proof method, but a way of decreasing risk. Unfortunately humans and risk of actions can be unquantifiable.

It's like poker, play the odds aqnd you'll get it right the majority of the time, in the long run variance evens itself out and (in theory) you'll have success.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
It was the use of statistics that led to the FA being proponents of the long ball game for so many years.

-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:16 pm --

It was the use of statistics that led to the FA being proponents of the long ball game for so many years.

It was, Charles Hughes and that Reep fellow used a tactic called Position Of Maximum Offence or POMO, which is essentially a tactic/philosophy that encourages long direct balls and even "playing for space" by kicking it out for a throwin as far into the oppo half as possible.

Don't get me wrong, statistics in the game are a wonderful thing and those who dismiss them entirely are arguably bigger idiots than those who believe that they add narrative to a greater way of playing
 

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