Valencia in for Negredo?

[C.C]

Just watching the special football focus on transfer deadline night and the guy just said:

"Negrado to Valencia on loan, not with an option to buy, but an obligation to buy?"

What does that mean & why - anyone know?

It means they effectively bought him, and are using the loan with the obligation to buy as a way to get around ffp.

 

[Mancitybluemoon1]

Just watching the special football focus on transfer deadline night and the guy just said:

"Negrado to Valencia on loan, not with an option to buy, but an obligation to buy?"

What does that mean & why - anyone know?

means we guaranteed to get 30mil euros from Valencia in 2015....

 

[Cityisland]

Just watching the special football focus on transfer deadline night and the guy just said:

"Negrado to Valencia on loan, not with an option to buy, but an obligation to buy?"

What does that mean & why - anyone know?

Means they have to buy him, not just suck it and see. he is gone.

 

[Suck Fake]

We just sold our 4th choice injured striker whose 29 years old for 30 mil, because he didn't want to play for us. Sounds like a win win to me.

Usually if players ask to leave the fee drops, so well done city!

The way we do our business now, i have no doubt that we'll be scouting strikers for the next 4 months, and if were short we'll have one brought in on the 1st of jan....with a promise to pay in the summer obviously.

Our scouting is now top notch, fernando proved this in 2 games, I think we should be excited and look forward to who's gonna replace him, cos they will no doubt be worth the wait.

However, i wish the beast all the best.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

Hang on..I'll pop on Chelsea's forum to see if I should be offended or not

A well humoured response to some not so well humoured c**tery.

You might do well to note it was him who started the not so well humoured c**tery.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Just watching the special football focus on transfer deadline night and the guy just said:

"Negrado to Valencia on loan, not with an option to buy, but an obligation to buy?"

What does that mean & why - anyone know?

It means they are contractually obliged to but him after the loan period. Just a wild guess.

 

[Marvin]

We couldn't splash the cash because of the UEFA sanction.

We can splash it in January - up to a point should we be able to find a player at the right level. No more restrictions

Celebrate that. It's something

Lots of City fans annoyed we are down to 3 strikers but please note he can't play until October at the earliest and would miss the Champions League games, so if we lose our strikers between October and December, we could buy in January

The risks about going through an entire season with Only 3 strikers are being over-stated.

We are also forgetting that this player left at his wish, and he had not scored for an eternity. Had we needed him this season, which Negredo would we get? Legitimate question I think

We've done right by the player, got a great financial deal.

Short term pain admittedly

Unnecessary short term pain that could last until seasons end.

Will be hard pressed to get a quality striker in January.

Maybe Torres will miss England (LOL).

18 outifeld players to carry us through until Jnauary, Sinclair , Boyata and Nasty are unlikely to feature much unless we have an injury crisis when we lose YAYA and Lampard.

Looks like we might have do a fair bit of business in January if we are still on Chelsea's heels.

I'm not sure with the transfer priorities, and FFP sanction we could have done anything else, but it is what it is, and we have to move on now

We are more exposed than we would like but nevertheless there is the January window and if we need to we could make a big signing then. There are a lot of teams with good forwards who will have been knocked out of the Champions League by then.

The advantage to this is that Dzeko, Aguero and Jovetic will be match fit and motivated. At times I've felt that Dzeko and Negredo weren't at times. One of them has been right out of the picture.

 

[Mattyc55]

'Homesick' on a hundred grand a week.. I've changed my mind on this, fuck him.

TBF none of us have a clue why he might need to return to his home country. He hasn't gone awol and the club seem happy enough to sanction the deal. Could be serious personal issues beyond his control.

No we don't, but we've still been left in the lurch. Maybe 'fuck him' is too strong, but imagine the vitriol on here if this was Yaya engineering a move on deadline day

 

[GaudinoMotors]

And as sure as night follows day, excitement turns to disappointment turns to recriminations turns to denial turns to blue on blue attacks. Was ever thus.

 

[Glauber Berti]

Just watching the special football focus on transfer deadline night and the guy just said:

"Negrado to Valencia on loan, not with an option to buy, but an obligation to buy?"

What does that mean & why - anyone know?

It means pretty much what it sounds like, Valencia have been spending big this summer and in order to balance their own books have taken him on loan but are, at the end of his loan term, contractually obligated to purchase him for the agreed amount (something akin to 24m) now I'm only assuming this is based heavily on certain targets being met by the player himself

 

[John Wayne]

Maybe Pellegrini rates Kelechi Iheanacho more than we think. will be interesting to see when he comes in.

Rated very highly by all accounts, but aren't there work permit issues?

 

[FanchesterCity]

Just watching the special football focus on transfer deadline night and the guy just said:

"Negrado to Valencia on loan, not with an option to buy, but an obligation to buy?"

What does that mean & why - anyone know?

I mean an obligation to buy???? Why not just a permanent sale? (is it cos he's currently injured?)

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

 

[Marvin]

'Homesick' on a hundred grand a week.. I've changed my mind on this, fuck him.

TBF none of us have a clue why he might need to return to his home country. He hasn't gone awol and the club seem happy enough to sanction the deal. Could be serious personal issues beyond his control.

No we don't, but we've still been left in the lurch. Maybe 'fuck him' is too strong, but imagine the vitriol on here if this was Yaya engineering a move on deadline day

We're City fans first and foremost, but I'm still appreciative of what Negredo did for us in winning a title and cup, and I'm glad he's got a move that suits him. Players have other people to consider as well as themselves, and if they aren't happy they aren't going to be able to give their best. I don't really know why he left, but it seems obvious that it was not for footballing reasons.

We've got good value for a player who will be 30 next season, and that will be ploughed back into the team at some point. Disappointing we couldn't do it now, but if there's one thing you can be sure of at Mansour's City it's that the regime will invest everything possible into the playing squad and the infrastructure of the club

 

[west didsblue]

Sorry to see him go. The best striking partnership last season by far was him and Sergio before his injury.

 

[ianw16]

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

Doesn't matter whether we get the money now or next year. It's treated as income for this year as far as FFP is concerned. And I'm sure the Sheik's bank account won't go into overdraft for the sake of £24m.
It's being done this way, as already stated, because Valencia don't yet have the cash as the takeover hasn't gone through yet. Even if it never goes through, and Valencia have to pay us off at 10 shillings a week, it is still counted as money we've received in this financial year.

 

[TrueBlue1705]

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

Doesn't matter whether we get the money now or next year. It's treated as income for this year as far as FFP is concerned. And I'm sure the Sheik's bank account won't go into overdraft for the sake of £24m.
It's being done this way, as already stated, because Valencia don't yet have the cash as the takeover hasn't gone through yet. Even if it never goes through, and Valencia have to pay us off at 10 shillings a week, it is still counted as money we've received in this financial year.

If as reported we're getting a guaranteed fee in the region of £24m then that is great business - I just hope Aguero and Dzeko can stay fit, any long-term injuries to those two could prove problematic .... Me thinks we are already planning for a massive transfer window next summer ....

 

[FanchesterCity]

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

Doesn't matter whether we get the money now or next year. It's treated as income for this year as far as FFP is concerned. And I'm sure the Sheik's bank account won't go into overdraft for the sake of £24m.
It's being done this way, as already stated, because Valencia don't yet have the cash as the takeover hasn't gone through yet. Even if it never goes through, and Valencia have to pay us off at 10 shillings a week, it is still counted as money we've received in this financial year.

Are you absolutely sure about that?
For expenditure that is true (to stop us bringing in players now and paying later), but not sure it's true for income.

Otherwise, we could set up a sponsorship to take place in 10 years time for 100 million, and count it as revenue now because a sponsor has contractually committed to it - couldn't they? (I don't know for sure)

 

[FanchesterCity]

My understanding is that we will be judged on our 'Net Transfer Position' which (in theory) means any transfer or commitment to transfer / payment - however far in the future, However, this isn't a transfer YET, it's a loan, and whilst Valencia might have committed to buy, we might not have committed to sell. If that's the case, there's no legal net transfer is there? That only happens when we actually commit to the transfer (regardless of when payment happens).

Of course, I'm not privvy to the contract so it's hard to know for sure.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

Doesn't matter whether we get the money now or next year. It's treated as income for this year as far as FFP is concerned. And I'm sure the Sheik's bank account won't go into overdraft for the sake of £24m.
It's being done this way, as already stated, because Valencia don't yet have the cash as the takeover hasn't gone through yet. Even if it never goes through, and Valencia have to pay us off at 10 shillings a week, it is still counted as money we've received in this financial year.

Are you absolutely sure about that?
For expenditure that is true (to stop us bringing in players now and paying later), but not sure it's true for income.

Otherwise, we could set up a sponsorship to take place in 10 years time for 100 million, and count it as revenue now because a sponsor has contractually committed to it - couldn't they? (I don't know for sure)

My understanding of obligatory is that regardless of what happens Valencia now owe us €30 million euros

He is effectively their player..so if he doesn't settle for whatever reason it is down to them to move him on and not us

 

[MSP]

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