Valencia in for Negredo?

[John Wayne]

Maybe Pellegrini rates Kelechi Iheanacho more than we think. will be interesting to see when he comes in.

Rated very highly by all accounts, but aren't there work permit issues?

 

[FanchesterCity]

Just watching the special football focus on transfer deadline night and the guy just said:

"Negrado to Valencia on loan, not with an option to buy, but an obligation to buy?"

What does that mean & why - anyone know?

I mean an obligation to buy???? Why not just a permanent sale? (is it cos he's currently injured?)

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

 

[Marvin]

'Homesick' on a hundred grand a week.. I've changed my mind on this, fuck him.

TBF none of us have a clue why he might need to return to his home country. He hasn't gone awol and the club seem happy enough to sanction the deal. Could be serious personal issues beyond his control.

No we don't, but we've still been left in the lurch. Maybe 'fuck him' is too strong, but imagine the vitriol on here if this was Yaya engineering a move on deadline day

We're City fans first and foremost, but I'm still appreciative of what Negredo did for us in winning a title and cup, and I'm glad he's got a move that suits him. Players have other people to consider as well as themselves, and if they aren't happy they aren't going to be able to give their best. I don't really know why he left, but it seems obvious that it was not for footballing reasons.

We've got good value for a player who will be 30 next season, and that will be ploughed back into the team at some point. Disappointing we couldn't do it now, but if there's one thing you can be sure of at Mansour's City it's that the regime will invest everything possible into the playing squad and the infrastructure of the club

 

[west didsblue]

Sorry to see him go. The best striking partnership last season by far was him and Sergio before his injury.

 

[ianw16]

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

Doesn't matter whether we get the money now or next year. It's treated as income for this year as far as FFP is concerned. And I'm sure the Sheik's bank account won't go into overdraft for the sake of £24m.
It's being done this way, as already stated, because Valencia don't yet have the cash as the takeover hasn't gone through yet. Even if it never goes through, and Valencia have to pay us off at 10 shillings a week, it is still counted as money we've received in this financial year.

 

[TrueBlue1705]

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

Doesn't matter whether we get the money now or next year. It's treated as income for this year as far as FFP is concerned. And I'm sure the Sheik's bank account won't go into overdraft for the sake of £24m.
It's being done this way, as already stated, because Valencia don't yet have the cash as the takeover hasn't gone through yet. Even if it never goes through, and Valencia have to pay us off at 10 shillings a week, it is still counted as money we've received in this financial year.

If as reported we're getting a guaranteed fee in the region of £24m then that is great business - I just hope Aguero and Dzeko can stay fit, any long-term injuries to those two could prove problematic .... Me thinks we are already planning for a massive transfer window next summer ....

 

[FanchesterCity]

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

Doesn't matter whether we get the money now or next year. It's treated as income for this year as far as FFP is concerned. And I'm sure the Sheik's bank account won't go into overdraft for the sake of £24m.
It's being done this way, as already stated, because Valencia don't yet have the cash as the takeover hasn't gone through yet. Even if it never goes through, and Valencia have to pay us off at 10 shillings a week, it is still counted as money we've received in this financial year.

Are you absolutely sure about that?
For expenditure that is true (to stop us bringing in players now and paying later), but not sure it's true for income.

Otherwise, we could set up a sponsorship to take place in 10 years time for 100 million, and count it as revenue now because a sponsor has contractually committed to it - couldn't they? (I don't know for sure)

 

[FanchesterCity]

My understanding is that we will be judged on our 'Net Transfer Position' which (in theory) means any transfer or commitment to transfer / payment - however far in the future, However, this isn't a transfer YET, it's a loan, and whilst Valencia might have committed to buy, we might not have committed to sell. If that's the case, there's no legal net transfer is there? That only happens when we actually commit to the transfer (regardless of when payment happens).

Of course, I'm not privvy to the contract so it's hard to know for sure.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

It means pretty much what it says. They loan him for a year, then buy him.
It's of letting Valencia get him now, but not have to pay until later which probably suits their accounts.

Ideally, we'd probably like the money right now, but in the long run it doesn't matter too much. It's a good deal and we;ll get the money later.

Some of you might be saying "why not sign him now and structure the payments so they don't pay until later?'. Effectively that's what is happening albeit legally it's still a loan and not a signing which I assume suits some regulations in Spain...

However, there's also a subtle benefit to us too... there MIGHT be a clause that allows us to keep him. e.g. Valencia are obliged to buy IF we don't want him, but if we want to keep him (and he sorts out any 'issues' he might have) then, we have the best of both worlds... we get the money we've already agreed on, or keep him.

All seems pretty decent business to me.

Doesn't matter whether we get the money now or next year. It's treated as income for this year as far as FFP is concerned. And I'm sure the Sheik's bank account won't go into overdraft for the sake of £24m.
It's being done this way, as already stated, because Valencia don't yet have the cash as the takeover hasn't gone through yet. Even if it never goes through, and Valencia have to pay us off at 10 shillings a week, it is still counted as money we've received in this financial year.

Are you absolutely sure about that?
For expenditure that is true (to stop us bringing in players now and paying later), but not sure it's true for income.

Otherwise, we could set up a sponsorship to take place in 10 years time for 100 million, and count it as revenue now because a sponsor has contractually committed to it - couldn't they? (I don't know for sure)

My understanding of obligatory is that regardless of what happens Valencia now owe us €30 million euros

He is effectively their player..so if he doesn't settle for whatever reason it is down to them to move him on and not us

 

[MSP]

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