VAR - 2020/21

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Totally agree, Rashfords was not a penalty it was a dive - minimal impact, yet the Newcastle one, who should have been a sending off and a pen, nothing given. The technology other than for offsides is working well, it’s the inept and dare I say corrupt implementation that is the issue. UEFA / FIFA need to take full control and implement the same system across all leagues and hold pigmol responsible for any incorrect usage / decisions. Never going to happen though

You think giving control of an already corrupt system to a bunch of even bigger corrupt bastards is going to change things for the better?

 

[Airbags Optional]

You think giving control of an already corrupt system to a bunch of even bigger corrupt bastards is going to change things for the better?

I think UEFA / FIFA will want their flagship system to appear to be used correctly more than their corrupt needs.

 

[Blue Mist]

There is a difference between judgment calls and line decisions. With line decisions you are always going to get calls so close that with the naked eye you would be guessing. John Stones cleared one off the line that was millimetres from being a goal, but was correctly judged not to be a goal using goal line technology. There can’t really be any argument about using technology in that situation in my view.

I remember a few years ago the offside rule was that there had to be ‘daylight’ between the attacker and the last defender. That would still produce cases where a player is on or offside by millimetres. But it’s better to get more calls right by using technology than it is to leave more to the officials guessing.

With subjective calls, like you say there is a strong argument for reserving the use of VAR for really outrageous cases, like the Henry handball against France. What that means, though, is you are back to square one because a penalty is far more likely to be given at the swamp if the team claiming the penalty plays in red. So you are swapping one set of subjective decisions for another.

To my mind the biggest problem with VAR is the lack of transparency. What’s the problem with hearing the discussion between the VAR official and the ref? Last year if we had heard the discussion between Oliver and the VAR team when TAA hand balled it and they went up the other end and scored that might have avoided a lot of suspicion.

There is no perfect solution but hearing the discussion would at least explain why certain decisions are given.

If technology cannot judge when a ball is played forward compared to when the player moved forward it should not be used for decisions involving millimetres. Goal line technology, like the Stones incident, is totally different.
If an official needs 4 different camera angles and 2 minutes viewing time to make a decision he is not correcting a clear and obvious error.
As long as the Var official is a mate of the referee and they swap roles eack week they will never over rule a rag/dipper dive.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I think UEFA / FIFA will want their flagship system to appear to be used correctly more than their corrupt needs.

They will just use the sime tiered excuse 'not a clear and obvious error' when it suits them and it will be as unaccountable as it is the PL.

 

[Chris in London]

If technology cannot judge when a ball is played forward compared to when the player moved forward it should not be used for decisions involving millimetres. Goal line technology, like the Stones incident, is totally different.
If an official needs 4 different camera angles and 2 minutes viewing time to make a decision he is not correcting a clear and obvious error.
As long as the Var official is a mate of the referee and they swap roles eack week they will never over rule a rag/dipper dive.

The last point is the problem. The current system is not transparent. Assistance from technology works well in cricket and rugby. There is no reason at all why it would not also work in football if done properly. At the moment there is no doubt it isn't being done properly.

The problem is, we have had technology-based analysis of decisions for years, and we will continue to have it in the future. The only question is whether you do it during the game or whether you do it afterwards, as in the pre VAR days, when it's too late to correct game-changing decisions and wrong decisions were justified on the basis that they even themselves out over the course of a season when they obviously didn't.

We spent years watching penalty claim after penalty claim waved away at the swamp because the foul had been committed by the team wearing red.

I don't want to go back to those days.

 

[Bluearmy]

I wonder how many years of a product spoiling the enjoyment of games will be allowed to continue unreformed

This is what you get without it

 

[Bluearmy]

If technology cannot judge when a ball is played forward compared to when the player moved forward it should not be used for decisions involving millimetres. Goal line technology, like the Stones incident, is totally different.
If an official needs 4 different camera angles and 2 minutes viewing time to make a decision he is not correcting a clear and obvious error.
As long as the Var official is a mate of the referee and they swap roles eack week they will never over rule a rag/dipper dive.

So you advacate the below which the official deemed offside (3.3 meters onside for reference), than VAR which granted isnt 100% perfect but is a damm sight more accurate than corrupt officials left to their own devices...

 

[mat]

Im with you. It has its faults but you will hear nothing about the 15/20 decisions it corrects then all hell breaks loose when there is a slightly controversial one..

Without it, Liverpool, United and Tottenham in the last week alone would have likely got points they didnt deserve due to dodgy decisions.

Totally illogical to me how any city fan doesnt support it. There is a reason Rooney has thrown his weight behind the anti VAR brigade this week and wants it gone. He is well aware what the old system delivered for him and the Rags down the years! Why would he want that to change...

I will say again.

I have no issues with VAR or other technology that helps level the integrity of the game. My issue is with PiGMOL and their manipulation of the system. All I want is for us to be able to hear what the broadcasters here when a VAR decision is taken. It happens in other sports so why are they dead against it here? There's only one logical explanation I can think of and that's manipulation not matches.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

This is what you get without it

this is what you get with it

 

[Blue Mist]

So you advacate the below which the official deemed offside (3.3 meters onside for reference), than VAR which granted isnt 100% perfect but is a damm sight more accurate than corrupt officials left to their own devices...

Have you read what I put? I said millimetres so how do you get 3.3 metres. If the tech isn't good enough use it but go back to 'daylight between players' so if an official does miss an obvious offside it is corrected. It should not be about big toes.
Second if you believe the man in the middle is corrupt, your words, why does he stop being corrupt when he is sat in front of a video screen?