Var debate 2019/20

[kaz7]

Why one day it is handball, and another it’s not a handball. Don’t ask me, ask them [referees]. Knock on the door, phone call, don’t ask me!”

Pep Guardiola on the officials decisions in

Former Premier League referee Bobby Madley [on twitter] on the #ManCity first-half penalty claim: “As [Bernardo] Silva handled the ball before TAA, this would have been penalised, even if a penalty had been awarded. Attacking handball doesn’t have to be deliberate..."Bobby Madley: "So, a penalty would never have been possible due to it touching [Bernardo] Silva hand in buildup.” *This tweet has since been deleted.*

So var should have stopped the game for a freekick to them

 

[ballinio]

So in such a situation how does the game restart bearing in mind that under normal circumstances as the handball was unintentional it would not be a pen? It would only be a handball by virtue of the fact a goal was scored as a result.

There’s been many unintentional handballs this , they’ve still been pens .

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Obviously they will still review the decisions with the footage, but suspect the reason they add the little idents etc... is for the stadium attendees. Don't see why they should be producing content purely for the benefit of Sky, they can do that themselves.

Bit of an odd comment that mate. Sky don’t have the VAR tech.

Also, given your line of argument, they’d just show the stadium screen for coverage of VAR checks in games when, as we all know, they don’t - the content gets given to the broadcaster to show in their coverage

 

[Proy]

Bit of an odd comment that mate. Sky don’t have the VAR tech.

Also, given your line of argument, they’d just show the stadium screen for coverage of VAR checks in games when, as we all know, they don’t - the content gets given to the broadcaster to show in their coverage

Which didn't happen today.

That suggests to me, that it wasn't being used.

Maybe I'm crazy, I don't know, but it makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[gingerprince]

PL have issued a statement to clarify TTA handball stating VAR team felt it didnt meet criteria for deliberate handball

They havnt released a statement to clarify Liverpool scored a goal from an attack initiated by TTA accidental handball

As that accidental handball would of course led to the Liverpool goal being disallowed for the accidental handball.


David Ellerary recently confirmed that Jesus disallowed goal v Spurs following Laporte accidental handball although

a legal goal to the actual wording of the law should have been disallowed because when the law was introduced the

intention of the law was NO goal should be allowed whenever opposition handles the ball prior to goal being awarded.

Wonder what he thinks to this one?

Monday night after the Spurs game I was listening to Goldstein and Cundy on Talk Sport and they where interviewing one of the PGMOL, VAR officials regarding the Gabriel Jesus disallowed goal , the line the official took was that under no circumstances should a team benefit from an handball leading to a goal..Goldstein then pressed him on this by jokingly giving an example of , "say a Barcelona player accidentally handled the ball , close to his own goal and the ball fell to Messi , who then ran the length of the pitch , beating 5 defenders before rounding the keeper and putting it the net for a worldie...would this then be disallowed ?" ...and the PGMOL official said yes , irrespective of where the handball occurred the goal wouldn't be allowed to stand....Now either that rule as changed , but no one has been informed of it or they make it up as they go along to suit....
Will be interesting to see if Goldstein brings it up again in his show tomorrow night , because someone should be asking the question , and getting to the bottom of it....

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I think all stadiums apart from Old Trafford and Anfield have a screen. I could definitely be wrong, but suspect when the game is at those stadiums, a VAR feed is not created for the stadium public, therefore there is not one for the broadcasters to display.

That makes sense, but I'm sure they had the VAR branding for the Liverpool vs United game. My best bet is that the people in the VAR room had already moved on quickly and didn't think there was much to show, the director was expecting a VAR feed to do the work on the replay, didn't and then he fucked up the shot by showing the really weird overhead angle of something meaningless and then couldn't squeeze it in anywhere else.

 

[marco]

Which didn't happen today.

That suggests to me, that it wasn't being used.

Maybe I'm crazy, I don't know, but it makes a lot of sense to me.

maybe most of us on here are crazy or its made us crazy, something stinks about today and its not right,VAR or whoever need to come clean and make a statement of whats gone on

 

[moon]

There’s been many unintentional handballs this , they’ve still been pens .

Yes cant say they played advantage as that would bring the penalty into account

 

[BosnianBlue]

However stupid it might look, the fact that all three big situations were never looked by VAR is pretty suspicious and I wouldn't exclude problems there. It's unbelievable that neither handball or potential offside goal took more than 10 seconds and that Mane's push on Sterling wasn't even checked. Salah was enough close for that decision to be looked at for a minute, never ever similar decision took less than that with VAR and they never even announced to the fans on stadium that they are checking it.

So either VAR wasn't functioning or they just didn't give a fuck or were taking a piss of us.

This thing wasn't even looked at. How is that normal. Player fast as Raz, being pushed at full sprint ffrom the back.

 

[jaiguruKun]

There’s been many unintentional handballs this , they’ve still been pens .

That's not the point, if the ref deems it not to be a handball but it subsequently leads to a goal it then becomes handball even if it not intentional just because it hits the hand.

Anyway I think we can all agree the handball law is a mess and is applied differently in the CL and elsewhere.

Why not just do away with it all together at least that way there would be consistency?!