VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?


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The watch should be linked to the screen so we all no the true amount there are no excuses not to do it anymore
The biggest WTF moments from the last WC was the amount of time added to both halves of a game compared to that added to PL and CL games. The clock, ask Fergie, is probably the most obvious aspect of the game that can be manipulated.
 
The watch should be linked to the screen so we all no the true amount there are no excuses not to do it anymore

You can only really do that with any benefit in a sport where the official clock is stopping and starting. Most clubs do have a 90 minute clock on the scoreboard now. But it’s a bit meaningless until the referee decides how much time to add on for each half.

There was talk from FIFA of trialling it maybe four or five years ago. From memory I think David Ellary was pushing for it. But all seems to have gone quiet on that front now. It wouldn’t completely eradicate time wasting. But I’m struggling to think of any negatives to at least giving it a go.
 
i mentioned this on the cricket thread, but the way they use it in cricket leaves absolutely no doubt as to how and why they make a decision , i appreciate cricket is a totally different ball game (phnar phnar) to football, however it seems so much more transparent.
 
i mentioned this on the cricket thread, but the way they use it in cricket leaves absolutely no doubt as to how and why they make a decision , i appreciate cricket is a totally different ball game (phnar phnar) to football, however it seems so much more transparent.

There’s really little fair comparison though. The odd dodgy catch aside, a cricket video umpire is pretty much just relaying whether the computer says if someone is out or not.

If you’re going to compare it to football, the better comparison would be how it works in relation to goal line technology. Which nobody has any issues with.
 
You can only really do that with any benefit in a sport where the official clock is stopping and starting. Most clubs do have a 90 minute clock on the scoreboard now. But it’s a bit meaningless until the referee decides how much time to add on for each half.

There was talk from FIFA of trialling it maybe four or five years ago. From memory I think David Ellary was pushing for it. But all seems to have gone quiet on that front now. It wouldn’t completely eradicate time wasting. But I’m struggling to think of any negatives to at least giving it a go.
It should be taken out of the ref’s hands. A separate time keeper should be used
 
You can only really do that with any benefit in a sport where the official clock is stopping and starting. Most clubs do have a 90 minute clock on the scoreboard now. But it’s a bit meaningless until the referee decides how much time to add on for each half.

There was talk from FIFA of trialling it maybe four or five years ago. From memory I think David Ellary was pushing for it. But all seems to have gone quiet on that front now. It wouldn’t completely eradicate time wasting. But I’m struggling to think of any negatives to at least giving it a go.
absolutely pal, they do it in rugby, but then again certain teams cant manipulate it if everyone can see!
 
Didn't see this on any other thread. Doesn't solve any of the problems, just shifts them. More useless rule changes coming .....

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Its a Golden Ticket Yes from me. For over 100 years linesmen used to look for daylight between players when the ball was kicked. It gives the advantage back to the attacking team which is as it should be. VAR decisions should be a lot quicker too.

Had this rule been in place I truly believe City would have at least one more CL trophy.
 
Yup. Daylight between players was a simple thing that VAR has truly fucked up.

Same as handball over complicated. It's either a penalty or an indirect free kick (considering the gravity of giving a penalty).

But VAR and whoever run it have made a total pigs ear of it , so angry at them, it's our game ffs!
 
The ESPN guy has confirmed that this idea from Wenger is in the very early stages of trials, mainly at youth level. And it will be years ( if ever ) until it is considered as an actual law charge across the board.
 
Its a Golden Ticket Yes from me. For over 100 years linesmen used to look for daylight between players when the ball was kicked. It gives the advantage back to the attacking team which is as it should be. VAR decisions should be a lot quicker too.

Had this rule been in place I truly believe City would have at least one more CL trophy.

That just isn’t true mate. Linesman have always judged an off side on who looks the furthest forward. This daylight nonsense was a figment of pundits imagination that was repeated that often that people came to believe it was a thing. It never has been.

This proposal by Wenger will actually most likely make a linesman’s job a lot harder. He’ll no longer by looking across a line and judging who is furthest forward but have to use two points of reference before making a decision.

Remember he’s talking about a fundamental change to the laws of the game here. Which would affect every game of football at all levels, all over the world. And over 99.99% of football games do not have a VAR.
 
That just isn’t true mate. Linesman have always judged an off side on who looks the furthest forward. This daylight nonsense was a figment of pundits imagination that was repeated that often that people came to believe it was a thing. It never has been.

This proposal by Wenger will actually most likely make a linesman’s job a lot harder. He’ll no longer by looking across a line and judging who is furthest forward but have to use two points of reference before making a decision.

Remember he’s talking about a fundamental change to the laws of the game here. Which would affect every game of football at all levels, all over the world. And over 99.99% of football games do not have a VAR.
Have to agree to disagree then.

Having run the line for 10 years in amateur football in the late 70's and 80's, we were taught during FA sponsored courses to look for daylight.

The offside law was brought in to stop goal hanging. It has morphed into something that actually now spoils the game.
 
Have to agree to disagree then.

Having run the line for 10 years in amateur football in the late 70's and 80's, we were taught during FA sponsored courses to look for daylight.

The offside law was brought in to stop goal hanging. It has morphed into something that actually now spoils the game.

Well I’m obviously not going to argue with what you say you were taught.

If certain instructors found it a convenient term to use then that’s up to them. Maybe as a very general guideline if you’re unsure, that gives the attacker the benefit of the doubt.

But they were wrong if they taught that as any sort of definitive way of judging an offside. A bloke could be clearly several feet offside without there been any daylight between him and the defender. And it’s certainly not a term they will have any ever seen in any edition of the laws of the game.
 
That just isn’t true mate. Linesman have always judged an off side on who looks the furthest forward. This daylight nonsense was a figment of pundits imagination that was repeated that often that people came to believe it was a thing. It never has been.

This proposal by Wenger will actually most likely make a linesman’s job a lot harder. He’ll no longer by looking across a line and judging who is furthest forward but have to use two points of reference before making a decision.

Remember he’s talking about a fundamental change to the laws of the game here. Which would affect every game of football at all levels, all over the world. And over 99.99% of football games do not have a VAR.

Well, knock me down with a feather. We agree with something about VAR for once.

I am beginning to think Wenger is an idiot and should be nowhere near any FIFA decision making.
 
Well I’m obviously not going to argue with what you say you were taught.

If certain instructors found it a convenient term to use then that’s up to them. Maybe as a very general guideline if you’re unsure, that gives the attacker the benefit of the doubt.

But they were wrong if they taught that as any sort of definitive way of judging an offside. A bloke could be clearly several feet offside without there been any daylight between him and the defender. And it’s certainly not a term they will have any ever seen in any edition of the laws of the game.
When did rules of the game (soccer) become laws of the game?
I was told a long time ago, that Rugby was the only game then that had laws.
 
Why the fuck can't "the best and most valuable league in the world" just have this?



It’s not really adding anything that we don’t have already. The only announcements are when a decision is being overturned after the referee reviews it on the screen. Which is as rare as rocking horse shit.

Even then you’re only really hearing a verbal explanation of what we currently see on the screens.

First small step I suppose though.
 
It’s not really adding anything that we don’t have already. The only announcements are when a decision is being overturned after the referee reviews it on the screen. Which is as rare as rocking horse shit.

Even then you’re only really hearing a verbal explanation of what we currently see on the screens.

First small step I suppose though.

I know - ultimately I'd like to see the Rugby example ( both codes ) ref wearing a mic and what happens and the thinking behind it is then clear
 

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