VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[Gordyola]

Uh . . .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrKkhcZWUAAeMnW?format=jpg&name=large

Foot was stepping on the line, arm and hand was across, rest of his body was in. Lets get that straight at least.


No, he intentionally swatted it. My argument was that he *may* not have been sure exactly where he was because his eyes were focused on the ball and the attacker, not precisely where he was. He made a considerable effort to try to retreat back into the box before making the action, and he did get his body back in. The arm movement to swat at it there was largely instinctual. Football isn't played in slow motion. Such things happen quickly.


I understand that. Clearly he hand balled it and it should have resulted in a free kick. Yet for one reason or another, VAR was unable to correct that simple problem.

It’s hand ball why do you persist in this none of your points are valid defences of his action? His arm was fully stretched out knocking the ball away

FFS Give up

 

[Bozzie]

Well I just popped in to catch up with this thread and ….. fuck me!!

 

[richardtheref]

It’s hand ball why do you persist in this none of your points are valid defences of his action? His arm was fully stretched out knocking the ball away

FFS Give up

There is no talking sense to the beautiful game. He doesn't seem to realise it can be a red card even if the person concerned didn't know where he was or did it unintentionally.

 

[coolcity]

I'll do you one better. The match officials don't just need sacking. VAR itself needs sacking and the whole of it need to be rocketed out of earth's atmosphere into space.

Interesting point about the ref, wasn't he demoted once because he's a crap ref, and recently reinstated to to level? Not sure if that's correct or not but if so then surely he shouldn't be in charge of a cup final?

 

[No One Understands]

Interesting that the guy on var on Saturday, trained most of the current var staff as he was used to it, having previously used it in Australia. Pity no one explained to him the actual laws of the game.

When I found it who it was, I was astonished. Having him be the VAR, is like having a ref from League One be the VAR in the premiere league. He should never have been anywhere near a premiere league fixture, since having only previously reffed in the A-league, if I'm not mistaken. May as well get amateurs if there's VAR in Sunday leagues.

 

[coolcity]

I can't believe we are still discussing these two incidents.

We all agree it was a handball. He doesn't get a red card for the handball offence. He gets a red card for the DOGSO. It's perfectly simple. It was 100 pages ago and it is now.

The penalty is subjective. But whether the defender got a slight (or any other) touch on the ball or not and when he got it isn't definitive in the determination of the offence. It just isn't, although it is taken into account. Personally, I think it was soft but a levelling up.

For the love of God, can we stop now.

Never quite understood why somebody posts on a subject then doesn't think anybody else should, but I get your point.

I think these things are let go too easily, we've had decisions that were highly likely to be match changing in two consecutive finals now. As bad as that is, it's even worse in a league match which could see us losing the title by a point or two one day. It could happen on Sunday and we don't qualify for the CL as a result. It's an absolute farce, VAR isn't working as it was intended and they need to change it or (preferably) scrap it completely.

 

[johnnytapia]

Has blue hammer given a normal view of the incident or still trying to wind everyone up about it?

He doesn’t bother watching his team. Says it all really.,

 

[gray740]

Should be a totally independent body that runs it ,PGMOL shouldn't be anywhere near it.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

My gripe with VAR is that the result is usually not the correct decision that should have been made .
e.g.
The Haaland/ keeper Cup final incident.
VAR are looking to a possible red card decision.

The first thing they should be checking is did the keeper touch it outside the box.
The next decision is to decide the punishment.
If they feel that is not a straight red offence, then it is at least a free kick and a yellow card to the keeper.
VAR does not allow this eventuality. Madness.
The decision they eventually took was no decision.

I have seen several cases where a player has been checked for a red but it is not deemed worthy of one but a yellow is not given either.

Exactly. They've put the cart in front of the horse.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

NO, the handball changed the game, the Club and staff have missed out on 10`s of £ millions, and should go after it. on the penalty, the ref did not give it, it went out for a throw deep in City`s half, which he gave Palace, before changing his mind and giving it to City, he them gave the penalty after a long discussion with VAR staff, and then Palace players, the penalty was taken and replays show, the keeper off his line long before the kick taken. This took nearly 5 minutes, put that alongside the injury, the substitution, the goal and the offside checked by VAR, the ref gave3 minutes.
This is a one of match, and as such it makes it City`s best chance of showing corruption

I'm not sure what penalty you're referring to. halfcenturyup was referring to the penalty given to City on the slide tackle.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

It’s hand ball why do you persist in this none of your points are valid defences of his action? His arm was fully stretched out knocking the ball away

FFS Give up

He claimed that the GK's body wasn't back in the box when he swatted it. I then made it clear that of course it was swatted intentionally which he asked me about. I don't know why you think I'm arguing against a hand ball. I've made it very clear from the beginning that it was of course a handball. The red card is a separate matter but we're all in agreement about the handball.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Should be a totally independent body that runs it ,PGMOL shouldn't be anywhere near it.

VAR simply needs to be gone. PGMOL could run fine again if they weren't forced to change a bunch of laws to accommodate VAR, which has shown itself to create nothing but a complete madness.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Never quite understood why somebody posts on a subject then doesn't think anybody else should, but I get your point.

I think these things are let go too easily, we've had decisions that were highly likely to be match changing in two consecutive finals now. As bad as that is, it's even worse in a league match which could see us losing the title by a point or two one day. It could happen on Sunday and we don't qualify for the CL as a result. It's an absolute farce, VAR isn't working as it was intended and they need to change it or (preferably) scrap it completely.

They've had 5-7 years to get it right, and it still is causing chaos. The only logical way forward now is a complete scrapping. But they won't, they'll continue to hijack the sport because they're too invested in it.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

The moment VAR decided no DGSO when it clearly was is where their job ended i that situation.

They can't (by their own rules) advise a referee to award a free kick other than for a foul inside the penalty area resulting in a penalty kick.

And therein lies the problem which I said from the beginning. The fact that they can't advise the ref to give a free kick means that there's a communication blockage and poor priorities. If the ref missed the handball, the simple corrective action is for the VARs to tell the ref that he missed a handball. And they shouldn't need him to go to the monitor for that since it's 100% factual. This situation has exposed in no uncertain terms how dysfunctional and inadequate VAR is.

Of course I also pointed out that the reason why they have this limit is because they want to limit the scope of what VAR can review to avoid having a hideous amount of delays, which would occur if they allowed errors outside the box to be reviewed. The alternative of needing to conclude that it was deserving of a red card is also problematic because it creates a subjective hurdle in order to correct the factual error. Either way it's problematic and that was my point.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

And therein lies the problem which I said from the beginning. The fact that they can't advise the ref to give a free kick means that there's a communication blockage and poor priorities. If the ref missed the handball, the simple corrective action is for the VARs to tell the ref that he missed a handball. And they shouldn't need him to go to the monitor for that since it's 100% factual. This situation has exposed in no uncertain terms how dysfunctional and inadequate VAR is.

Of course I also pointed out that the reason why they have this limit is because they want to limit the scope of what VAR can review to avoid having a hideous amount of delays, which would occur if they allowed errors outside the box to be reviewed. The alternative of needing to conclude that it was deserving of a red card is also problematic because it creates a subjective hurdle in order to correct the factual error. Either way it's problematic and that was my point.

The free kick in isolation is a moot point because it should have been DGSO which should have resulted in the keeper being sent off AND the award of a free kick.

 

[blue by birth]

The free kick in isolation is a moot point because it should have been DGSO which should have resulted in the keeper being sent off AND the award of a free kick.

Fuck me I take it the wum is still going on about it not being a sending off..ignore the fucker and he might fuck off mate

 

[RiversideBlue]

FFS. 20 pages and many Days later, and the wum is still on here. Please don't engage blues.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It’s very simple. VAR ‘chose’ not to uphold the laws of the game. It does not matter what the reason was, they ‘chose’ to ignore the rules.

Corruption, cheating, name it what you want, but those who are supposed to arbitrate the laws are ‘deciding’ when, or when they are not, relevant.

We’ve been done.

 

[danielwood5]

It’s very simple. VAR ‘chose’ not to uphold the laws of the game. It does not matter what the reason was, they ‘chose’ to ignore the rules.

Corruption, cheating, name it what you want, but those who are supposed to arbitrate the laws are ‘deciding’ when, or when they are not, relevant.

We’ve been done.

That decision last weekend, in the biggest game of the domestic season, showed that football isn't a sport any more, it's an entertainment business where decisions during a game aren't based on the rules, they're now based on what would be more enjoyable to the watching neutral audience and the media.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

After the Championship not using VAR all season, it's used in the Final for some reason, only for it to chalk off Sheffield United's 2nd goal via an American NFL style referee announcement. The reason, because, #21 was "in the line of vision of the GK" whilst being marginally offsides despite not being involved.

Turns out he wasn't actually in the "line of vision" of the GK, as the ball was kicked the GK appeared to have a clear view of the ball, by the time the ball flying past him caused his vision of the ball to be "blocked" by the marginally offside player it was far too late for him to react.

Instead of Sheffield going up 2-0, Sunderland ends up rallying late in dramatic fashion to win the Championship, thanks largely to a subjective VAR decision which kept them in it, in a league that is known for not using VAR throughout its season. A pity really.