VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[BlueHammer85]

And what does he say now.....

Can’t find much recently, this from 2019

 

[stonerblue]

Can’t find much recently, this from 2019

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The soft get.

 

[Gordyola]

VAR: Premier League claims 96 per cent of referee decisions are correct - so what is future of technology in football?

The Premier League claim the “majority” of supporters are in favour of VAR and the technology has led to a 14 per cent increase in correct decisions; Sky Sports senior reporter Rob Dorsett sits down with Tony Scholes to discuss VAR’s performance and ideas for improvement

www.skysports.com

VAR: Report shows technology has been 98.9% accurate in decision-making

The video assistant referee system has been accurate in 98.9% of decisions during its trial, says the International Football Association Board.

www.bbc.co.uk

Here’s the evidence of what I’ve said about the Premier Lesgue and IFAB’s findings. You know, the ones you just said i had ‘zero evidence’ of.

You will have to ring or email City directly for your ridiculous demands of wanting specific stats on City in the General Football Forum when talking generally about football when I’ve never mentioned decisions solely in City games not claimed ever to have any data on referee decisions in City games.

The BBC report above is from 2018

9 out of 10 Premier League viewers want changes to VAR or for it to be scrapped altogether | YouGov

Two thirds say that VAR has made the Premier League less enjoyable to watch

yougov.co.uk

VAR: Almost two-thirds of supporters oppose system's use in English football, says new survey

Almost two-thirds of supporters oppose the use of the video assistant referee (VAR) system in English football, a new survey shows.

www.bbc.co.uk

Almost half of EPL football fans say they will attend fewer games if VAR is used| All Football

A scathing study into the use of VAR in football has discovered that almost half of Premier League supporters will attend fewer games if the controversial technology is kept in place next season.

m.allfootballapp.com

Half of English football fans think VAR has had a negative impact on the experience of match going fans

New polling from Ipsos explores attitudes toward Video Assistant Referee (VAR) technology.

www.ipsos.com

What VAR is denying match-going fans far outweighs what it is giving them back

As a match-going fan, what you lose from having VAR – the purest moment of fandom – does not seem worth what you gain from having it...

www.nytimes.com

Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR - Football Supporters' Association

The results of our fan consultation on VAR are in, and they make for interesting reading: more than four out of ten fans say they will attend fewer games in future due to the effect VAR is having on the game.

thefsa.org.uk

 

[Gordyola]

Can’t find much recently, this from 2019

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I’m sure Brendan Rodgers and Pep have similar feeling following the latest VAR cock ups this week
Pep wasn’t happy with VAR for failing to call the handball outside the penalty area during the FAC final Marco Silva must love VAR following the disallowed goal v Chelsea the lack of intervention for the Rags goal with the clear push in the back etc

 

[Blue Mist]

The troll has come out from under his rock.
I'm not sure which I'm more sick of, Var or the troll.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The troll has come out from under his rock.
I'm not sure which I'm more sick of, Var or the troll.

I get tagged for my opinion everytime there’s a controversial VAR decision - so you could ask your fellow ‘football is dead’ moaners to keep me under the rock.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Until officials can do it properly it is flawed, and that will never happen.

Goal line tech, automated offside is all we need, if it reads a goal or a player off it pings to the watch, remove human interaction.
or
go old school allow human error without the fannying about

Automated offsides is only a thing in video games. In the real world, it's just not possible. They can pretend that it is, they can make it look like it's automated with fancy graphics and all that, but it's being put together by humans, every time.

I'm to the point when even when City benefits from a bad decision, I'm annoyed. I miss getting away with one the old fashioned way, and also being on the wrong end of one and being undone by it but carrying on anyway. Those are the life lessons that we were brought up on. Play to the whistle.

Goal line tech makes sense, and it's utilized so rarely. I can't remember the last time goal line tech was used to reverse a goal decision. Because it's an exceedingly rare event that a ball is moving slowly over the line. That's how VAR was sold to the public, that it would be there just in case there were some kind of a howler. It was never brought in to be used multiple times each match to adjudicate subjective decisions.

With offsides, the only way that I can see technology helping would be if the linos were allowed to do their jobs properly. That means, if they see an offsides, even if it's marginal, blow the whistle, stop play, don't let it play out so a goal might get scored, in a segment that may or may not count, creating confusion and long delays. Goals scored in segments like this are not legitimate because some defenders may have a momentary hesitation due to the unsuredness of this kind of situation. Goals scored in these "not sure if this will count" situations are worse than "getting the decision correct".

Anotherwords, be less idealistic about it, don't design it around covering all possible scenarios as that's impractical. If it's determined after the fact that a wrong offsides decision was made, make an imperfect correction based upon what is available. Meaning, accept that you're never going to be able to get back what was lost by the play stopping, and, especially if it's marginal, giving a free kick to the team incorrectly called offsides in the moment might end up being a better compromise than the all-or-nothing goal or no goal decisions based on toenails or fingertips.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Can’t find much recently, this from 2019

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History changing is a pipe dream. It is idealism run amok.

Guess the reason


Its not that VAR has made a mistake. Its that they have all that video and replays and still get it wrong.

What happened here goes against the popularized line of "it's not the technology it's the people running it". If the problem is systemic, i.e. if they have changed the laws in a way that makes that be the correct decision, then it's not the people running VAR as many VAR proponents say, if the people running it are being guided by changed laws put on the books due to the existence of VAR, then they are merely following what they are told is the application of the (changed) laws.

I've said all along that you can't separate the system from the people running it. They are one in the same, because one can't exist without the other!

 

[johnnytapia]

2012 . He called it.

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He certainly did

 

[BlueHammer85]

He certainly did

Yes, nothing wrong with any of that - I feel
the same when VAR/Officials get it wrong. I’ve always said that, I always said it will continually get ‘wrong’ decisions and the odd cock up - so no idea when some get all giddy and tag me in over every controversial VAR decision.
It’s like tagging you lot in if we didn’t have VAR and asking for a explanation from you every time the ref/officials had missed a player way offside and scoring, at a player diving with zero contact and being awarded a penalty etc. I could be doing that on a weekly basis if there was no VAR.

I’ve always said I understand why some don’t like it and want rid of it.

I can appreciate every point of view just a shame some can’t appreciate mine in the fact I’d rather the game keep VAR and evolve ways to make it better.

 

[johnnytapia]

Blue hammer and the other fella getting absolutely mullered here. Again. I say we leave them and let them enjoy not going to the match, watching Australian rugby. It’s like we’re a bunch of Great Whites circling young, innocent, not really sure where or what they should’ve doing pups. Easy meat but not much (anything) of a challenge.
Is there anyone out there who can offer a proper rationale for VAR or are these two pieces of chum all we’ve got?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Blue hammer and the other fella getting absolutely mullered here. Again. I say we leave them and let them enjoy not going to the match, watching Australian rugby. It’s like we’re a bunch of Great Whites circling young, innocent, not really sure where or what they should’ve doing pups. Easy meat but not much (anything) of a challenge.
Is there anyone out there who can offer a proper rationale for VAR or are these two pieces of chum all we’ve got?

Ha, I’m long past caring getting ‘mullered’ on here - this thread is pretty much about letting off steam, being outraged and crying corruption when a decision doesn’t go your way, same for all fans of all clubs. Scrap Var and it’ll be the same moanfest. It’s the moaning social media world we live in.

 

[deano ou812]

VAR and it’s inception was an incredible game changer,but unfortunately some could see that there was the capability to manipulate outcomes in games,we now are were we are ..

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

I get tagged for my opinion everytime there’s a controversial VAR decision - so you could ask your fellow ‘football is dead’ moaners to keep me under the rock.

Fuck me, you playing the victim now? Maybe you should change your username to ScouseHammer85. You come on here after every incomprehensible VAR decision defending the indefensible and now you’re moaning that people are calling you out?

As a match going fan, I’d may be willing to put up with the degraded experience if they could get the decisions right. But they’ve shown that they can’t. This is not new technology, we’re 6 years into this now (that’s SIX for those FOCs that remember the videprinter), and there are just too many howlers to make it worthwhile putting up with it.

Let’s fuck it off and get back to giving the ref dogs abuse. At least he’s visible on the pitch, not cocooned 200 miles away with Spitty and Rat Boy in his ear.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Automated offsides is only a thing in video games. In the real world, it's just not possible. They can pretend that it is, they can make it look like it's automated with fancy graphics and all that, but it's being put together by humans, every time.

I'm to the point when even when City benefits from a bad decision, I'm annoyed. I miss getting away with one the old fashioned way, and also being on the wrong end of one and being undone by it but carrying on anyway. Those are the life lessons that we were brought up on. Play to the whistle.

Goal line tech makes sense, and it's utilized so rarely. I can't remember the last time goal line tech was used to reverse a goal decision. Because it's an exceedingly rare event that a ball is moving slowly over the line. That's how VAR was sold to the public, that it would be there just in case there were some kind of a howler. It was never brought in to be used multiple times each match to adjudicate subjective decisions.

With offsides, the only way that I can see technology helping would be if the linos were allowed to do their jobs properly. That means, if they see an offsides, even if it's marginal, blow the whistle, stop play, don't let it play out so a goal might get scored, in a segment that may or may not count, creating confusion and long delays. Goals scored in segments like this are not legitimate because some defenders may have a momentary hesitation due to the unsuredness of this kind of situation. Goals scored in these "not sure if this will count" situations are worse than "getting the decision correct".

Anotherwords, be less idealistic about it, don't design it around covering all possible scenarios as that's impractical. If it's determined after the fact that a wrong offsides decision was made, make an imperfect correction based upon what is available. Meaning, accept that you're never going to be able to get back what was lost by the play stopping, and, especially if it's marginal, giving a free kick to the team incorrectly called offsides in the moment might end up being a better compromise than the all-or-nothing goal or no goal decisions based on toenails or fingertips.

Welcome back. We can agree on things again :)

 

[urban genie]

Automated offsides is only a thing in video games. In the real world, it's just not possible. They can pretend that it is, they can make it look like it's automated with fancy graphics and all that, but it's being put together by humans, every time.

I'm to the point when even when City benefits from a bad decision, I'm annoyed. I miss getting away with one the old fashioned way, and also being on the wrong end of one and being undone by it but carrying on anyway. Those are the life lessons that we were brought up on. Play to the whistle.

Goal line tech makes sense, and it's utilized so rarely. I can't remember the last time goal line tech was used to reverse a goal decision. Because it's an exceedingly rare event that a ball is moving slowly over the line. That's how VAR was sold to the public, that it would be there just in case there were some kind of a howler. It was never brought in to be used multiple times each match to adjudicate subjective decisions.

With offsides, the only way that I can see technology helping would be if the linos were allowed to do their jobs properly. That means, if they see an offsides, even if it's marginal, blow the whistle, stop play, don't let it play out so a goal might get scored, in a segment that may or may not count, creating confusion and long delays. Goals scored in segments like this are not legitimate because some defenders may have a momentary hesitation due to the unsuredness of this kind of situation. Goals scored in these "not sure if this will count" situations are worse than "getting the decision correct".

Anotherwords, be less idealistic about it, don't design it around covering all possible scenarios as that's impractical. If it's determined after the fact that a wrong offsides decision was made, make an imperfect correction based upon what is available. Meaning, accept that you're never going to be able to get back what was lost by the play stopping, and, especially if it's marginal, giving a free kick to the team incorrectly called offsides in the moment might end up being a better compromise than the all-or-nothing goal or no goal decisions based on toenails or fingertips.

SAOT can work without VAR to confirm it, we choose to use it with VAR and then the morons in the computer room fuck about


Personally offside, like handball should be onfield led and tight calls (inches) be given in the offensive favour, as it always was

 

[halfcenturyup]

SAOT can work without VAR to confirm it, we choose to use it with VAR and then the morons in the computer room fuck about


Personally offside, like handball should be onfield led and tight calls (inches) be given in the offensive favour, as it always was

There is no way an automated off-side technology can work on its own with the LOTG and the various interpretations (whatever they are this week) as they are.

The only way it can work automatically is if any attacker in an off-side position is committing an offence whether or not he has been interfering with play, and at the moment his team-mate attempts to play the ball to him, no matter what happens afterwards. Then, and only then, can you automate off-side with motion sensors in the ball and tracking of player movements, preferably in the order of 200 fps.

But do we want that? The whole point of subjectivity in the off-side laws is to give benefit of the doubt to the attacker. Then again, we disallow goals for a knee being offside by a millimetre in a normal running movement, so who the fuck knows anymore?

And, for the love of God, don't anyone talk to me about A fucking I, please.

 

[Magicpole]

We had a bad one on Thursday. Still can't get my head around it.

 

[.db.]

Proven wrong? Only in your muddled head.

Nothing to say about anything I wrote or anything to do with the VAR stats in either article, I see?

You’re the one who got muddled because you thought the sentence you picked out about details of the survey not being released was about the VAR stats, but it was about a survey on whether fans were in favour of VAR or not. All the details of the investigation into VAR stats are there to see.

I have proven you wrong. You said I had no evidence for my claim, yet I did. You said that VAR has not increased correct decisions being made since it came in, but it has.

 

[.db.]

I’ve asked for stats on City matches.
“No evidence your honour.”
“Case dismissed.”
Too easy this.

I’ve told you to do your own research on the stats on City matches you lazy fucker because I have never once mentioned stats on City games specifically. You plucked that out of thin air when it wasn’t related to owt I’ve mentioned at all.