VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[cleavers]

What????

It’s as “clear and obvious” as it could possibly be!

Nice edit of what I actually said.

At full speed I didn't think it was a foul, I actually thought their player got to the ball, then when I saw the replay I thought it was a foul, and should have been given.

At full speed if the referee thought the same as me, which I presume is why he didn't give it, then I can see why it's not clear and obvious to var, from the referee.

As none of us can hear what was said between them we can't know, sky said that var said there was "insufficient contact", now that's clearly bollocks.

 

[cleavers]

Why don't they show the real time image with the lines drawn? What is this illustration which seems to be drawn on a fu**ing software by some novice graphic designer and which noway matches the actual gameplay? Took ages to show on TV as well, well after 2 minutes after the goal confirmation!

They had to wait for AI to invent an image showing he was on, even AI isn't instant when making shit up.

 

[Blue2112]

I watched it on some foreign channel.
Straight after the goal.
They showed a picture showing he was off side.
No more pictures after.
Ten minutes after the goal my son in law showed me a var computer pic what ever it is .
He was off in that pic.
A minute later .
He said hand on its different now it's showing him on side.
Manipuating the imagine to suit the agenda.
And because cunts at sky and some ex ref on Monday say it fine people accept it.
It wouldn't bother me if I never watched a football game ever again.
Growing up man city was my life.
Everything.
Even though we were shit.
They were me one true love

Your man city.
Your my love.
Your man city your the one I love.

We used to sing that.

It's gone now.
They have broken me.
Achieved the goal .

I'll always love city.
But hate football x

The bit about growing up and Man City was your life, even when they were shit they were you one true love, really resonates more than I can say. Same here my every thought, from posters on my bedroom wall, scrapbooks and playing truant from school to go to Maine Road and get players autographs when they came in for training. When my Mam found out and confronted me about it I told her I miss every wednesday morning, its swimming and geography and ive no interest in ox bow lakes but when im 50 i'll still have Colin Bells autograph. She loved United and its her birthday today and I miss her but she understood my love for City was way beyond geography and breast stroke and she smiled. Today, modern football, sky, BT, UEFA, social media fans, youtubers and everything else about it is shit and fucking bent var sits on the top of mountain of corruptness and its manipulation of results and all those c***s who have no real idea what it really means to hurt and have your weekend ruined but take the piss on social media and pretend they know ballers and all that nonsense, understand nothing and can just do one. Give me Alf Grey and George Courtney every day of the week.

 

[Dodge]

When are you going to learn that they rarely do what they say they're gonna do, they are literally making it up as they go along. And when they are forced to explain decisions, Howard Webb comes up with some arms flailing convoluted cockamamie gobbledygook. VAR is an absolute riot. Needs Sacking BADLY!

You've been banging on for days about the Van Dick "goal".

I've yet to see your opinion on the Foden challenge and the Doku handball.

Care to enlighten us?

 

[Len Rum]

The biggest thing about the "goal" that is wrong with the graphic, is when they showed (and stopped) the replay, several times, both of Dias feet are on the floor, and he wasn't jumping, so his arms weren't up either, and the player was a yard offside, so the graphic is pure made up bollocks anyway.

I didn't think the foul on Foden was a foul at first, it was only from the replay you could see he was caught after he got his shot off, if the referee thought the same as me, then I can see why it's not given, and I'm not sure it's "clear and obvious", whatever that now is.

The handball I never noticed at the time, but his arm isn't natural, and on the way up, so that should be given, especially after being reviewed.

The Dias one's are never given, they should be, but they aren't, not until the players have been warned about 10 times first, and lets face the attackers are as guilty as the defenders. This pulling/pushing at corners should be clamped down on, on both sides, and cards given, on both sides. It would soon stop.

To me the tackle on Phil is clear and obvious and VAR should have alerted the ref.
Watch the replay and the stills.
Is having already got a shot away before the foul a consideration?
It would be interesting to hear from a professional ref are there situations where an obvious foul is committed but can be overturned because of something else- in this case having already got a shot away.

 

[cleavers]

To me the tackle on Phil is clear and obvious and VAR should have alerted the ref.
Watch the replay and the stills.

I have, and while I may agree now, I can see why the referee didn't give it at full speed, he only see's it at full speed, he should have at least been sent to the screen to review.

 

[Len Rum]

I have, and while I may agree now, I can see why the referee didn't give it, he only see's it at full speed, he should have at least been sent to the screen to review.

Correct.
And that is where VAR should send him to the screen to review his decision.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

You've been banging on for days about the Van Dick "goal".

I've yet to see your opinion on the Foden challenge and the Doku handball.

Care to enlighten us?

With this one I have plenty of "help" but yes I do plan on giving my take. But what I'm really trying to do is to listen to the opinions of fellow Blues, in both good times and bad to see what how everyone is interpreting these situations. In this case, I don't think I have to convince anyone about anything as it pertains to the City incidents. When VAR goes against City, it sort of takes care of itself to an extent. But it is also easier for me to fit in when I do comment. This is also stemming from the discussion over the Jamaica vs Curacao incident this has now overshadowed. But in any event, yes I am hugely concerned at what happened with City but in this case I think it is wise to get a sense of what the community thinks about what happened before I give my take. Another element of this is a lot to digest here, with many factors that went into these incidents. Particularly the imaging issues make this very hard to make sense of. How they would be trying to re-create what happened in a video game environment at all would seem to be misguided. With everything involving VAR, I just see this as completely delusional as far as what they've tried to do, and continue to try to do with VAR, and it keeps failing repeatedly, and all this is infuriating to the fans.

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

The bit about growing up and Man City was your life, even when they were shit they were you one true love, really resonates more than I can say. Same here my every thought, from posters on my bedroom wall, scrapbooks and playing truant from school to go to Maine Road and get players autographs when they came in for training. When my Mam found out and confronted me about it I told her I miss every wednesday morning, its swimming and geography and ive no interest in ox bow lakes but when im 50 i'll still have Colin Bells autograph. She loved United and its her birthday today and I miss her but she understood my love for City was way beyond geography and breast stroke and she smiled. Today, modern football, sky, BT, UEFA, social media fans, youtubers and everything else about it is shit and fucking bent var sits on the top of mountain of corruptness and its manipulation of results and all those c***s who have no real idea what it really means to hurt and have your weekend ruined but take the piss on social media and pretend they know ballers and all that nonsense, understand nothing and can just do one. Give me Alf Grey and George Courtney every day of the week.

My dad took me and my best mate in 84

My mate meggo .
He had ginger hair like Gary megson.
Meggo played for the youth team.
My dad took us everywhere .
Port Vale.
Palace on Wednesday night.
All over

My old mad didn't go on the train with his mates.
He took me and megs.
We were the only blues our age in Buxton who were blues.
Rags laughed at us.
Megs would say yeah but we go.
Were shit but we go.
Anyone from Buxton or macc.
Chapel.
Will know who I'm talking about.
Megs was cool as fuck.
He took his own life before we won the league.
When Sergio scored that goal my dad cried his eyes out.
I did as well.
Not because we had done the unthinkable.
But because our little mate wasn't there.
Football was my life.
The city me and megson fell on love with isn't the city we have now.
Rip my mate .
Love u man x

 

[pauls]

It was manipulated no question about that, but we won't hear anything more about it unless Pep and the club demand answers, which they won't, they are not the tarquins nor the dippers.

For us to get 0-3 on the alleged "subjective" decisions tells you everything.There should have been a more experienced ref for this high profile game.

 

[Blue2112]

My dad took me and my best mate in 84

My mate meggo .
He had ginger hair like Gary megson.
Meggo played for the youth team.
My dad took us everywhere .
Port Vale.
Palace on Wednesday night.
All over

My old mad didn't go on the train with his mates.
He took me and megs.
We were the only blues our age in Buxton who were blues.
Rags laughed at us.
Megs would say yeah but we go.
Were shit but we go.
Anyone from Buxton or macc.
Chapel.
Will know who I'm talking about.
Megs was cool as fuck.
He took his own life before we won the league.
When Sergio scored that goal my dad cried his eyes out.
I did as well.
Not because we had done the unthinkable.
But because our little mate wasn't there.
Football was my life.
The city me and megson fell on love with isn't the city we have now.
Rip my mate .
Love u man x

There are no words but you take him with you everywhere you go and your memories together are the true memories of what Manchest City Football Club is.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

For us to get 0-3 on the alleged "subjective" decisions tells you everything.There should have been a more experienced ref for this high profile game.

In the old days, or even in our not so recent but not too far memory of pre-VAR (2010s in the PL lets say), this balancing act was part of a referee's responsibilities. Good referees keep an internal balance in their mind throughout the match so if a contentious decision that they weren't sure about went one team's way maybe in the next decision (if it were close) would go to the other team.

VAR has turned this whole balancing act on its head and we end up in situations where VAR decisions alone completely swing a match from what it would have been under normal circumstances and that is tragic. When we were sold VAR, there was never a push to have VAR reviewing as many decisions as it does.

It was only supposed to cover the rare howler, something that a ref clearly missed. Instead we've got it to making all kinds of match changing decisions on a regular basis and doing so in ways that leave one baffled and confused. And this is being normalized. VAR has taken us into a really weird place that has everyone frustrated. Why can't we just do football the normal way? VAR has only caused problems and I think we can all see that by now.

If you think back to the early 2010s, if you would have ever imagined in a million years back then that we'd have something like VAR and for it to be this bad, you would never have believed it. But here we are and my motivation is simply to restore football back to itself. This VAR is causing havoc on the sport and I don't think I need to convince any one of this at this point. But I am grateful to have such knowledgable fans here to see a lot of the same problems with VAR that I see. I know sometimes we disagree and that's bound to happen but I really appreciate your sharp eye in pointing this out.

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

There are no words but you take him with you everywhere you go and your memories together are the true memories of what Manchest City Football Club is.

I'm actually watching the charlton game now on YouTube.
My old man took me and megs in the bit between the Maine stand and the north stand that day.
At the end of the game I can clearly remember him saying to us .
You two wait here.
I'm going on the pitch.
A few years later out first derby was the 5.1
The game after was luton I think.
We were in the back ground in the picture on the front page.of the program
City will always be my love.
Meggo will always be my best friend
City was my life.
Always will be.
But it's not the same city .
Rip meggo

Love u man x
I sometimes get pissed at him for doing what he did.
Iwr never dreamt city would win anything.
I can't imagine what he would make of what city have done since he's not been here.
Maybe he's seen it x

 

[Blue2112]

I'm actually watching the charlton game now on YouTube.
My old man took me and megs in the bit between the Maine stand and the north stand that day.
At the end of the game I can clearly remember him saying to us .
You two wait here.
I'm going on the pitch.
A few years later out first derby was the 5.1
The game after was luton I think.
We were in the back ground in the picture on the front page.
City will always be my love.
Meggo will always be my best friend and just man city.
X

I remember the Charlton game like it was yesterday. Sunshine, Paul Simpson, David Phillips, thousands on the pitch, pissed up in town, got the last bus from Piccadilly back to my girlfriends and now Mrs 2112, singing City songs on the latenight bus around 2am and she got off in Gorton and I forgot and stayed on all the way to the end of the line somewhere up in Denton/Hyde. I'd never been out of Collyhurst and had no idea where the hell I was. Driver took me back to Devonshire street bus depot atound 4am on Hyde road and i somehow managed to walk/taxi back home as the birds were waking with the first light of dawn. Yes I think it was Luton with Mel Machin as manager.

 

[cleavers]

Correct.
And that is where VAR should send him to the screen to review his decision.

@Alan Harper's Tash made a good point in the match thread, he should have been sent there to review a penalty after all it's a definite foul after the shot has gone. (We'd have missed any way.)

 

[Dodge]

With this one I have plenty of "help" but yes I do plan on giving my take. But what I'm really trying to do is to listen to the opinions of fellow Blues, in both good times and bad to see what how everyone is interpreting these situations. In this case, I don't think I have to convince anyone about anything as it pertains to the City incidents. When VAR goes against City, it sort of takes care of itself to an extent. But it is also easier for me to fit in when I do comment. This is also stemming from the discussion over the Jamaica vs Curacao incident this has now overshadowed. But in any event, yes I am hugely concerned at what happened with City but in this case I think it is wise to get a sense of what the community thinks about what happened before I give my take. Another element of this is a lot to digest here, with many factors that went into these incidents. Particularly the imaging issues make this very hard to make sense of. How they would be trying to re-create what happened in a video game environment at all would seem to be misguided. With everything involving VAR, I just see this as completely delusional as far as what they've tried to do, and continue to try to do with VAR, and it keeps failing repeatedly, and all this is infuriating to the fans.

Typically obtuse diatribe. I asked for your opinion on 2 incidents and you don't answer the question, despite your very firm, oft repeated, view on the Van Dick non-goal.

I'll simplify the questions:

Foden challenge - Penalty? Yes or no?
Doku handball - Penalty? Yes or no?

 

[meltonblue]

I think they should have sent the Foden one back down to the pitch for a review as I thought that was a reckless challenge.

That was the only one I thought VAR didn’t deal with well today though (aside from the time it took to review their second goal) and even the Foden one, I get why they didn’t, I just disagree with it.

 

[mancboy]

With the foden schar one, later on in the game joelinton cleaned one of our players out after the ball had gone and the play gets pulled back , there is no difference in the offences in fact in 99% of slide tackles where the player is caught the ball is gone otherwise theyd have got the ball.

Its cheating in plain sight and everyone knows it.

 

[lust overlord]

The way var is used in the premier league, leaves it wide open to accusations of manipulation.
Changing images on the screen to suit a preffered decision.
I've no problem with giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt in tight offsides.
However,the nagging suspicion is if that happened at the other end,the goal is chalked off.
Last nights var fiasco will be shrugged off with,ah well,you got one in your favour a week or two ago,type of attitude.
There won't be a 10 day media inquest over these questionable calls.

Var has ruined my enjoyment of football long before last night.

 

[coolcity]

They had to wait for AI to invent an image showing he was on, even AI isn't instant when making shit up.

You wouldn't put it past them. My thoughts were similar, why put a cartoon drawing of the players on screen, and why the long wait to do that?

On the actual gameplay image I saw it looked like a clear offside, it wasn't even debatable. Same with the penalty, there was clearly contact on Foden regardless of whether he'd already taken the shot or not.