VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

There are some facts in life that need no explanation.
Like how this thread would only be on the page 4 if it wasn't for a spammer.
 
The state we are in.


Fenerbahce coach Jose Mourinho said the Video Assistant Referee went from being the invisible man to the most important man on the pitch after several controversial decisions went against his side in their 3-2 Super Lig win at Trabzonspor on Sunday.

Trabzonspor were awarded two penalties in the second half following VAR interventions, and with the score tied a 2-2 late in the game Mourinho was incensed when a challenge on Bright Osayi-Samuel went unpunished.

The Portuguese coach suggested the VAR, Atilla Karaoglan, had missed the incident as he was drinking coffee.

"The referee was just a little boy that was there on the pitch, but the referee was Atilla Karaoglan, so man of the match," Mourinho told beIN Sports Turkiye.

A very little boy indeed running over to the monitor, doing as he's told by back room match manipulators. Shambles!!
 
Phil1 said:
If they’re saying VAR is wank then so do I.
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:) I never understood the clamour for getting off-side calls "correct" to the mm when the guidance for other offences is moving to "referee's call" unless it is clearly wrong. Just do the same for offsides, for Christ's sake, and save a few million and a lot of time.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
shameful, tech in place to rule this goal out in seconds.
the game is gone if we allow goals like this to stand.

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Preston vs Bristol City: Yu Hirakawa scores with blatant handball

Bristol Citys goal against Preston stands after blatant handball from Yu Hirakawa.
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You're right, this situation would have been swiftly reversed by VAR had it been in play. But situations like this when something this blatant is missed are incredibly rare. I mean, this is Henry handball territory.

What I would say is that something like this, which might happen once in a blue moon, does not justify the monstrosity that VAR is that causes all kinds of problems in other areas.

I could live with an occasional howler like this if it meant that we had free flowing football. I would also say that if VAR was only limited to catching clear "intentional" handballs like this that were missed in real-time, that led to goals, I could probably live with it.

It's all the other nonsense that VAR looks at which isn't "clear or obvious". For example, evaluating fouls or tackles with VAR, or for seeing the ball hit off a hand inadvertently then using that to rule out goals, when it wasn't intentional, that's very different and that's what drives people up a wall about VAR.

So I agree with you here, VAR would be very effective and catching something blatant like this Yu Hirakawa handball. And it would only need to be looked at if it led to a goal. If this didn't lead to a goal, then play on. No stoppage needed.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
You're right, this situation would have been swiftly reversed by VAR had it been in play. But situations like this when something this blatant is missed are incredibly rare. I mean, this is Henry handball territory.

What I would say is that something like this, which might happen once in a blue moon, does not justify the monstrosity that VAR is that causes all kinds of problems in other areas.

I could live with an occasional howler like this if it meant that we had free flowing football. I would also say that if VAR was only limited to catching clear "intentional" handballs like this that were missed in real-time, that led to goals, I could probably live with it.

It's all the other nonsense that VAR looks at which isn't "clear or obvious". For example, evaluating fouls or tackles with VAR, or for seeing the ball hit off a hand inadvertently then using that to rule out goals, when it wasn't intentional, that's very different and that's what drives people up a wall about VAR.

So I agree with you here, VAR would be very effective and catching something blatant like this Yu Hirakawa handball. And it would only need to be looked at if it led to a goal. If this didn't lead to a goal, then play on. No stoppage needed.
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Correcting clear mistakes, like the Henry handball, was the justification for introducing VAR (iirc the others included the non-goal when the United keeper clearly scooped the ball from a couple of feet behind the line, and the crazy offside, was it United again?, when the linesman had a brain fart) but it quickly morphed into the behemoth that leads, for example, to the stupid handball and offside rules we have now.

If VAR worked in the background and just corrected obvious errors like those that were used as justification for it in the first place no-one would have a problem with it. If VAR can't see it's a complete cock-up in five seconds and two normal speed replays, then on with the game. And yes, for offsides as well. Anything at all that delays the game more than that should be a no-no imho.
 
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halfcenturyup said:
Anything at all that delays the game more than that should be a no-no imho.
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Then scrap subs and leave players injured on the floor - loads more in the game takes longer than a VAR review which most of the time is done in seconds as the game is flowing.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Then scrap subs and leave players injured on the floor - loads more in the game takes longer than a VAR review which most of the time is done in seconds as the game is flowing.
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Subs should be hurried up yes. They don't have to take a minute each. And don't stop the game unless it's a serious injury, trainers on-pitch in-play if they have to come on. And never, ever stop a game for cramp. And there are plenty more ways to speed the game up.

But none of that is anything to do with VAR, which is what we are talking about.
 
The Ipswich CEO now wants it binned. He said, regarding the recent vote, that he voted for it to stay after listening to the PL. He know says he was wrong.
 
halfcenturyup said:
:) I never understood the clamour for getting off-side calls "correct" to the mm when the guidance for other offences is moving to "referee's call" unless it is clearly wrong. Just do the same for offsides, for Christ's sake, and save a few million and a lot of time.
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I don’t think there ever was a clamour for getting off sides correct to the millimetre. There was a clamour for getting blindingly obvious errors overturned. The trouble is, once you’ve got the technology, they are always going to use it to the best of its abilities.

You hear people saying, have one look and if it’s not clearly a wrong decision, let the on field decision stand. But are fans really going to be happy to see goals ruled out, when replays prove it was narrowly but definitely on side? I’m not so sure.
 
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