VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Sigh. If I was a club I probably wouldn't care.

But I am someone who watches the game and has done all my life. I want a game that is easily understood and enjoyed by the people attending games. That is the most important thing for me because without people at games going crazy, the game will become as sanitised as American football.

I also want easy to understand rules that can be immediately judged with reasonable accuracy by the people in the stadium. I want a goal to be disallowed for offside immediately, if it is going to be, so fans can go crazy. I want people to shout and scream at officials when I think they are wrong, and they will be sometimes. I want cheating to be punished. I want people to shout and scream at opposing fans and, yes, to be able to say naughty things about them. I want people going to matches to be able sit amongst like-minded fans who they have generally known for years. I want lower prices so real fans aren't priced out.

Football is losing itself and all this technology fuckwittery is part of the problem. As are the clubs who don't really care about any of the above, no matter what they say.
They’ll never ask us, the fans. They know we’d tell them to get fucked and let us enjoy the match with all its imperfections- like we did for 150+ years before we had this shit foisted upon us.

It’s completely killed celebrating goals - that moment we all live for. Ruined.
 
“Semi-automated offside technology will provide more efficient placement of the virtual offside line, based on optical player tracking, and produce virtual graphics to ensure an enhanced in-stadium and broadcast experience for supporters,” a joint statement read.

Jesus H Christ. It’s FOOTBALL not a fucking game of 3D chess. FUCK OFF and let us enjoy the match - warts an’ all.
 
Thats the laws of the game not VAR…

“Errors” in favour of United were regular
The offside law when introduced was never to penalised a forward for having his toenail forward of the defender Football is played on grass not in a laboratory and they are using questionable methods to decide close margins

VAR has removed the errors in favour of the rags?
 
‘can’t celebrate goals anymore. It’s not the same’


Yeah fans instinctively celebrate a goal but then start wondering if VAR is going to disallow it.
Whenever City score I jump up and I'm buzzing but then look at the lino to check if he's flagging if he's not then it's the dreaded wait to see if VAR checking goal comes on the screen.
It sucks the life out of it in all honesty..yeah we sometimes get to celebrate twice but often we find our joy was short-lived..
Definitely prefer football pre VAR...
 
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Yeah fans instinctively celebrate a goal but then start wondering if VAR is going to disallow it.
Whenever City score I jump up and I'm buzzing but then look at the lino to check if he's flagging if he's not then it's the dreaded wait to see if VAR checking goal comes on the screen.
It sucks the life out of it in all honesty..yeah we sometimes get to celebrate twice but often we find our joy was short-lived..
Definitely prefer football pre VAR...

Fair enough, i can get that - always a slight doubt - for me that’s a small price to pay if the goal should not stand.
 
The offside law when introduced was never to penalised a forward for having his toenail forward of the defender Football is played on grass not in a laboratory and they are using questionable methods to decide close margins

VAR has removed the errors in favour of the rags?
Incorrect. The law as its written says a toenail is offside. I don't agree with that personally, but its the current law! Thats not a VAR issue.

Yes VAR has mitigated mistakes in favour of the rags and levelled the playing field to some degree. We’d be much worse off without it!!
 
Incorrect. The law as its written says a toenail is offside. I don't agree with that personally, but its the current law! Thats not a VAR issue.

Yes VAR has mitigated mistakes in favour of the rags and levelled the playing field to some degree. We’d be much worse off without it!!
Nope the interpretation is defined that way now When the law was first written it was impossible to make that analysis, and frankly it is today As it stands using 50 f/s video to determine such minute measurements is also nonsense, a player can move a considerable distance between frames VAR has to determine which frame to select for when the ball was kicked then use some dodgy software to calculate the parallax It was better when the human on the touchline line made the call
 
Nope the interpretation is defined that way now When the law was first written it was impossible to make that analysis, and frankly it is today As it stands using 50 f/s video to determine such minute measurements is also nonsense, a player can move a considerable distance between frames VAR has to determine which frame to select for when the ball was kicked then use some dodgy software to calculate the parallax It was better when the human on the touchline line made the call
VAR is supposed to question errors that are clear and obvious.
Simple solution would be 4 linesmen, two in each half.
There was a brief experiment not that long ago where they had two extra officials monitoring the goal lines at each end of the pitch. It didn't seem to achieve anything and it was quickly abandoned.
 
VAR is supposed to question errors that are clear and obvious.

There was a brief experiment not that long ago where they had two extra officials monitoring the goal lines at each end of the pitch. It didn't seem to achieve anything and it was quickly abandoned.
Clear and obvious doesn’t apply to offside
 
Yeah fans instinctively celebrate a goal but then start wondering if VAR is going to disallow it.
Whenever City score I jump up and I'm buzzing but then look at the lino to check if he's flagging if he's not then it's the dreaded wait to see if VAR checking goal comes on the screen.
It sucks the life out of it in all honesty..yeah we sometimes get to celebrate twice but often we find our joy was short-lived..
Definitely prefer football pre VAR...
Exactly.
 
VAR is supposed to question errors that are clear and obvious.

There was a brief experiment not that long ago where they had two extra officials monitoring the goal lines at each end of the pitch. It didn't seem to achieve anything and it was quickly abandoned.
Yes. Totally different though
 
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Well yes, but what we don't know is if it really works like that, or if it's just another very convincing but most likely inaccurate representation of what they want to happen.

One data point in the knee, for example. Is it really "a" data point in the middle of the knee, continually monitored as it is suggested here. If it is, how can that be used accurately? If it isn't, then they are just using a single image calibrated with the kick point that presumably uses the furthest forward knee position of the attacker and the furthest backward knee position of the defender. There are, say, three inches between the middle point of the knee and the extremities and, when taken into account with the 50 fps used for the kick point frame and the offside frame, all these two or three inches can add up.

Frankly, I doubt it is accurate at all, although I am sure it will look nice and convincing.
 
There was a brief experiment not that long ago where they had two extra officials monitoring the goal lines at each end of the pitch. It didn't seem to achieve anything and it was quickly abandoned.
That was the only solution. And the two extra officials monitoring the goal line wouldn't be needed in every match. Similar to how in baseball, in the regular season there are only 4 umpires in the infield but in the post season there are 6 umpires including two in the outfield down the line. With baseball adopting video reviews in recent years there is now redundancy in having the 2 extra officials for more meaningful matches in the post season, but they still appear.

But prior to video reviews in baseball, the Left Field and Right Field umpires were needed in more important games to ensure accuracy of hits down the line, to see if the ball in or outside the line. Well a similar concept was attempted to be implemented in football with the two extra officials on each goal-line, but like you said, for one reason or another "it didn't seem to achieve anything and it was quickly abandoned".

I would like to explore that statement as it is crucial to understanding how we ended up with VAR. The 2 extra officials monitoring each goal line would theoretically solve every problem that would have caused VAR to be needed.

So why was it abandoned? Because the statement "it didn't seem to achieve anything" is curious, what would there be to achieve other than to provide a "backup" set of eyes to catch what the on-field referee may have missed, which would presumably only be a rare occurrence to which you wouldn't notice them on a match to match basis. But if a howler happened, they could run up to the ref and alert when needed.

Can we pinpoint when this trial took place and how long it lasted for? Were there situations where the extra goal-line official alerted the on-field referee to something he missed? Given the decay of the sport due to VAR and its clear need for the VAR experiment to be put to a halt once and for all, we'll need an alternative to prevent the kinds of errors (the rare howler, etc) that VAR set out to prevent. The two extra officials near the goal-line, maybe not for every match, maybe only for more significant matches, similar to how baseball adds to the two umpires in their post season.

Video review is very harmful to football, on many levels and this is not a satisfactory situation as it presently stands. The idea of two extra officials on the goal-line, for every match, or for only select matches would be a much more practical, less expensive, less aggravating, less controversial, and a more natural solution.
 
We know you’re a bit dense but surely you know how to click on a link ?

The state of confusion caused by VAR and delays like this are unacceptable. These pauses are an affront to the flow of football and simply cannot be "explained away". I don't want to hear about all their excuses for how unsatisfactory VAR is but you seem to think all this is beneficial in some way. I'm afraid you've lost the plot my VAR loving friend. This is not how football is supposed to be played and this improper way of playing and administering football simply must be put to an end. The only question left for us is what should it be replaced with. I would be in favor of two extra officials being placed on the goal-line to see anything perhaps missed by the on-field referee, but there can be no video review involved. Refereeing is about paying attention to what happened on the pitch when it happens, not after, not to be obsessed over. The two extra officials on the goal-line idea was perfectly pragmatic and acceptable but was done away with for some odd reason. Whatever that reason was, it was the wrong decision because of the state of what that decision created, this VAR monstrosity. It is curious that you can't see the harm that VAR has done to football, but by aligning yourself with VAR you are on the side of football being reduced and that is a side that I can not go to. Football is too important to be done right. And even when I brought up the need for a forward kickoff, it was seen as some kind of a joke. No my friends that was not a joke either. Football has been turned into a joke and however small the incorrect change needs to be called out and reverted to normalcy, as football should be played properly and not in this farcical manner in which it currently exists under VAR. It is a shame what has been done to football and there needs to be a concerted effort to return the sport back to its normal unimpeded state for the pleasure and harmony of all.
 

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