VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Gordyola said:
At what point did you decide that he "dived" on first viewing, after a replay or after numerous replays from different angles?

He did no different than what most players do, when they feel contact

Rice had his arms around him impeding his progress, as rightly pointed out he trod on Rice's foot, is holding now allowed?

Any comments about VAR not interring in the Arsenal pen?
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I suppose VAR never bothered as both the lino and Pawson didn't when Bernardo went down with a kick to the gob. Game restarted with a Villa drop ball. I've just seen the highlights and there is one instance where the Villa defender has an arm round Bernardo's throat and another arm holding him across the chest. Blatant holding, contrary to the LotG. Totally ignored. Why is it that blatant penal offences are ignored yet VAR can pop up for a fictitious foul and award a pen. The arbitration of the game has never been more dire!
 
Thought Ortega's comments after the game were spot on. Stated that all clubs told VAR would not intervene on 50/50 decisions. They go for you or against you and you applauded the ref or give them dogs abuse accordingly. Never clear and obvious. Should not have been sent to the screen.
 
Cumbie Blue said:
Thought Ortega's comments after the game were spot on. Stated that all clubs told VAR would not intervene on 50/50 decisions. They go for you or against you and you applauded the ref or give them dogs abuse accordingly. Never clear and obvious. Should not have been sent to the screen.
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Your spot on. Never clear and obvious. Yet again VAR plays second ref and a second subjective opinion. It should be a mechanism to prevent serious errors by the officials not be an extra layer of slow motion screening of the match. Thankfully the football gods intervened and rendered this atrocious piece of work,which would have been extremely costly, irrelevant.
 
Just watching the match on tv after going last night. Neville keeps saying he was clever. No Gary he’s cheating with a dive after slowing down so there would be contact. Why don’t pundits call it out for what it is. They all moan about diving but never come out and say it when it’s in plain sight. And the var has blatantly cheated in my opinion as they shouldn’t be going against the ref in that situation. Against palace marmoush was pulled back but we were told not enough to overturn the decision so what’s the difference unless it’s cheating
 
city saint said:
Just watching the match on tv after going last night. Neville keeps saying he was clever. No Gary he’s cheating with a dive after slowing down so there would be contact. Why don’t pundits call it out for what it is. They all moan about diving but never come out and say it when it’s in plain sight. And the var has blatantly cheated in my opinion as they shouldn’t be going against the ref in that situation. Against palace marmoush was pulled back but we were told not enough to overturn the decision so what’s the difference unless it’s cheating
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They do call it out, just not against us.
 
lets be honest var has made football into wwe and is allowing refs to manipulate games in real time, the way in which it is used shows an incredible amount of contempt for the fans
 
city saint said:
Just watching the match on tv after going last night. Neville keeps saying he was clever. No Gary he’s cheating with a dive after slowing down so there would be contact. Why don’t pundits call it out for what it is. They all moan about diving but never come out and say it when it’s in plain sight. And the var has blatantly cheated in my opinion as they shouldn’t be going against the ref in that situation. Against palace marmoush was pulled back but we were told not enough to overturn the decision so what’s the difference unless it’s cheating
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It was a dive all day long. The Villa player moved his leg towards Dias at the last moment when he realised the ball had gone. He was already on the way down. A joke of a decision by VAR.
 
One of the things I find absolutely corrupt is that when ANY of the VAR bods tell the ref to go to the monitor, the VAR ref is making the decision. It will always be given when the ref goes to the monitor.

They've basically setup a process that allows VAR people to make the decisions on field regardless of what the ref thinks.

All the VAR team have to do is try to find (or not find) what they want.
 
It will never happen as they'll be gone from the PGMOL list next season but I would love a ref to be called to the screen for one of these look at it and just say in the mike "Why are you questioning my decision here?"

Stand up and back themselves, their experience, judgement and skill to make a decision in real time. Just say "yes everything can look bad in super slowmo and still frame but its a contact sport and coming togethers are going to happen. My call, nothing wrong with it let me do the job I'm professionally trained for."

My gaffers micro manage me like this, review and analyse every decision I make on a minute by minute basis and I'm looking elsewhere, toxic culture.

Cricket: Umpires call
Rugby: On field decision

They stand unless it is certain a "infringement" has happened, time the PL backed the person in black the same.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Would VAR have intervened had it been in the Villa box?
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They didn't later on when O'Reilly tried to cross and was being held back/having his shirt pulled in the area (late-ish on in the 2nd half), I haven't even seen a replay of that incident because there wasn't one during the game, neither were we told that VAR were checking it and that they had cleared it; so I think we know the answer to your question, don't we?
 
Cumbie Blue said:
It will never happen as they'll be gone from the PGMOL list next season but I would love a ref to be called to the screen for one of these look at it and just say in the mike "Why are you questioning my decision here?"

Stand up and back themselves, their experience, judgement and skill to make a decision in real time. Just say "yes everything can look bad in super slowmo and still frame but its a contact sport and coming togethers are going to happen. My call, nothing wrong with it let me do the job I'm professionally trained for."
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What I can't come to terms with is the VAR's choice of camera angle. Why only one? Who chooses that one angle?

It's 100% a case of...
"we've found an angle where it looks bad,
we're discounting the five angles where you can see a definite touch of the ball and the touch on the player doesn't look so much like as a foul as a natural coming together after a challenge,
but we've decided to only show you the angle where the perspective of the action looks at its worse"

Where's the on-field ref's input in this process?
Where's his enquiry about other angles?
And as you say, where's his professional "backbone" to say, that's not what I saw, give me more/different views, because you're showing me a distorted view of what I saw.

100% re-reffing the game. Fucking cheating/manipulating in order to create drama.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
One of the things I find absolutely corrupt is that when ANY of the VAR bods tell the ref to go to the monitor, the VAR ref is making the decision. It will always be given when the ref goes to the monitor.

They've basically setup a process that allows VAR people to make the decisions on field regardless of what the ref thinks.

All the VAR team have to do is try to find (or not find) what they want.
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games are now being reffed remotely which is so shady its untrue
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It was a dive all day long. The Villa player moved his leg towards Dias at the last moment when he realised the ball had gone. He was already on the way down. A joke of a decision by VAR.
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Similar then to the yellow card Digne got for KDB jumping diving with no contact and the leg had been pulled back. They get called clumsy tackles as even without contact players need to avoid the initial action of the tackle.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
Similar then to the yellow card Digne got for KDB jumping diving with no contact and the leg had been pulled back. They get called clumsy tackles as even without contact players need to avoid the initial action of the tackle.
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Perhaps but more force from Digne. The Villa player was already stumbling before any contact from Dias though.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Perhaps but more force from Digne. The Villa player was already stumbling before any contact from Dias though.
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No force if you don't touch the man. Players do it, our players do it as do the opposition. Struggling to see why blues are so offended with last night, refs and decisions are never and will never be consistent.
 
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