VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
It becomes a conspiracy the moment the authorities knowingly cover up a mistake that has huge financial consequences (such as a team missing out on a Champions League place, or a league title).
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Semi automated offsides being introduced just in time to keep the CL race "interesting"
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
The Tarkowski situation in the LiVARpool Everton match really highlights the extent in which VAR has harmed not only the sport itself but also the way that media pundits interpret situations and create phony outrage based on their own flawed thinking as a result of the VAR experiment.

The amount of outrage by the media over this is off the wall. And their outrage, almost in unanimously, is that VAR didn't reverse the on field decision of a yellow card and turn it into a straight red to send him off.

And in their over the top outrage over this, the term "modern football" keeps finding its way into their argument as they act oblivious as to why VAR didn't turn it into a red, barely mentioning that he "got to the ball" before the impact almost as an afterthought.

Here's one of many examples of the reaction to this situation :



The cognitive dissonance going on here as they feign outrage and misinterpret this situation is really bad. Mike Dean needs to take a vacation. The one guy tried to point out that he got to the ball but it largely fell on deaf ears.

This whole "modern football" narrative by the way is a direct result of VAR's existence, in that in a pre-VAR world no one would have batted an eye over the yellow card which was given. Now obviously, the boot to the man's calf was extremely dangerous to the player receiving such a blow, and the concern over the player receiving such an impact is certainly warranted. But that aside, as many pundits, while voicing their outrage over not sending the man off, have pointed out, in the good ol days that's probably not even considered a foul, let alone a card, considering that he not only "got" to the ball first, but managed to wind up and clear the ball which would cause the foot to be moving at a very high velocity. The LiVARpool defender got there late, and paid dearly for that.

But there was absolutely zero intent from Tarkowski to foul the man. He simply cleared the ball and on his follow through connected to the calf of the defender who was late getting there. To even call this a dangerous challenge would be a stretch. It was a clearance kick for goodness sake!

Tarkowski has every right to kick that ball as hard as he could, his follow through was perfectly normal. It wasn't a "high tackle" or anything like the things in which straight reds are supposedly given in "modern football". But here we go with the mainstream pundits going nuts over this, first in their interpretation of what happened, and then in criticizing VAR. And I'm as anti-VAR as it is, but it's no mystery why the VAR didn't upgrade the yellow to the red. Lost on all these media people, the fact that he was clearing the ball out and did nothing to warrant being sent off. Even a yellow is harsh on a perfectly good clearance that just so happen to result in a burtal impact to the calk of the defender. That was purely incidental, worrying as it was, and now we're hearing pundits calling for VAR to announce that they got this wrong, that he should have been sent off etc. And now there's speculation that this could result in PGMOL for the millionth time since VAR's been introduced making this sort of thing a red in the future.

All the outrage associated with this situation is how it's being completely misinterpreted as warranting a red card due to so-called "modern football" standards is all of a result of the affect that VAR has had on the sport. If that's a red card, then football is DONE. I repeat DONE. If players can't clear out balls at full strength for worry that the follow through is going to hit an oncoming defender in a bad way, you might as well start wrapping players legs in bubble wrap.

In conclusion, this was definitely not a red, and arguably not even a yellow. Yellow only due to the impact that occurred, not due to the intent Tarkowski, not due to him making a dangerous challenge, it was a clearance kick for goodness sake, and certainly not due to a clearance kick follow through being a foul in the technical sense.

The sport is so lost in over reaction and being conditioned to be outraged due to VAR's existence and this situation only reinforces how farcical football is these days under the VAR induced lunacy.
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You are in a tiny minority that doesn’t think that deserves a red card.

Having watched it again, it’s a clear red and VAR should have got involved.

We have the tech, call the ref to get a look on the screen - much rather that then players getting away with leg breaking challenges like that, that follow through was done with a lot of intent. No idea how you can string endless sentences defending that decision and ludicrously saying it’s the fault of VAR somehow that you admit was right not to be involved.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Amazing how spot on the refs were pre VAR aye.
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I don’t think anyone is saying that mate at all. They were shit then as well. Most of us preferred it that way. We’ll never agree on VAR that’s obvious. No need for the sarcy reply really. You know my thoughts and I know yours. I think you’re totally blind in your thoughts on it and will never move from them because you’ve had so many arguments on here about it, and a lot of undeserved shit. Just think you need to realise most, if not nearly all don’t agree with yours, so there must be something drastically wrong with it. I’d accept it if it improved the game, but at the moment, only the most ardent fan of it like yourself would argue that it’s a good thing.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
What does everyone think, if VAR wasnt a thing, never existed, what would the referee have decided with that Tarkowski tackle in the heat of the moment? IE not knowing that VAR will pick it up if he is wrong. I think he would have given it tbh. Its even changed the way refs think.
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Refs indulging in thinking? Jeez, I always thought they were PiGMOL 'n Uefa automatons.
 
TinFoilHat said:
When Tarkowski pulls the same stunt against us i doubt SSN will talk about it for days after...
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Play on, he got the ball, not even a free-kick. :)
Play continues, we're told that VAR are looking at a potential red card, and then "check complete".

Then in the studio they'll agree that "yes there was contact, but not enough for a red, VAR did its job"
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
I can see the argument either side and can see why VAR left it to the ref.

what i like to challenge is.. what if he missed the ball and made that challenge and the ref didn't send him off - how can we just pretend we don't have a system whereby a ref could have some tech help to make sure that would be a Red. It would be ludicrous not to use VAR in these instances.
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BlueHammer85 said:
You are in a tiny minority that doesn’t think that deserves a red card.

Having watched it again, it’s a clear red and VAR should have got involved.

We have the tech, call the ref to get a look on the screen - much rather that then players getting away with leg breaking challenges like that, that follow through was done with a lot of intent. No idea how you can string endless sentences defending that decision and ludicrously saying it’s the fault of VAR somehow that you admit was right not to be involved.
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Errr, you can see both sides but it’s a clear red?
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
Errr, you can see both sides but it’s a clear red?
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Yeh, I retract that original statement when I said having watched that properly again - I get the ‘he got the ball first’ argument but the follow through for me was done with intent and a clear red, VAR should have told the ref to have a look at least.
 
TinFoilHat said:
What happened to one of PiGMOLs spotted on his fantasy football app whilst making a decision?

It went very quiet.
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It wasn’t fantasy football or his personal phone, which are banned in the VAR booth.

It was his work phone and the app. he had loaded was Premier League Match Manager.
 
A funny one today
How did that everton player ( jake o brien? ) end up with a yellow card after a VAR review.
I've never seen that situation before.
 
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