VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

.db. said:
You obviously don’t understand what I’ve said.

The problem in football is not video technology, it’s the people running it who are the problem. Referee standards in this sport are appalling… not video technology itself.

Football was running like some skint backwater minority sport when it didn’t have video technology. It’s still a joke of a sport because the standard of officials are appalling for the size of the sport. But 21st Century elite football needs video technology as much as it needs a referee on the pitch, it just needs a massively better standard of officials full stop.
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No it wasn't. Football was doing just fine until the soft arse whiners that couldn't take a decision going against their team started bleating on about them, egged on by sky and bt.
 
.db. said:
Who’s this ‘we’?

In elite professional football for a good twenty years, fans across the world, players, coaches, ex-players and coaches, DoFs, boardrooms, referees themselves, ex-referees and anyone else that’s connected to the sport were crying out for video technology to be introduced in the sport.

Football at the elite level is far too fast and there’s far too much cheating for on-pitch officials to referee properly.
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Rubbish.
 
Gazza said:
Not seen the pen yet, but what was the sequence of events?
Did he need the psysio on to attend to his 'injury', if so, why was he on the pitch to take the penalty surely you have to go off for 30 seconds?
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Didn't think of that. It was a head injury. He would have been treated on the pitch and then again on the sideline.
So how was he on the pitch to take the penalty ?
Don't all head injuries need checking ?
 
Gazza said:
Not seen the pen yet, but what was the sequence of events?
Did he need the psysio on to attend to his 'injury', if so, why was he on the pitch to take the penalty surely you have to go off for 30 seconds?
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Just another example of the officials not carrying out the procedures which are supposed to be in place.

There are so many examples that the "protocols" are simply ignored dependent upon the individual official in charge.

Farce and mistake after mistake are the norm.

VAR and officials simply are not consistent or fit for purpose .
 
.db. said:
There was more controversy before we had VAR in the sport though
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Disagree The refs were better without VAR they use it now as a crutch, are too sacred to stick to their original decision. The controversy is more now than before because wheres a decision was made on the spot and yes we would all moan and complain when it went against our team. With VAR there is zero excuse to get it wrong but they still do despite in-depth analysis from every angle at every speed possible The whole VAR set up is wrong they are always looking to disallow perfectly good goals for the slightest indiscretion eg the Fulham goal v Chelsea
If we have to have VAR then it needs to be totally revised and the football players and managers need to be consulted instead of leaving to IFAB with the idiot David Ellery in charge
 
Gordyola said:
Disagree The refs were better without VAR they use it now as a crutch, are too sacred to stick to their original decision. The controversy is more now than before because wheres a decision was made on the spot and yes we would all moan and complain when it went against our team. With VAR there is zero excuse to get it wrong but they still do despite in-depth analysis from every angle at every speed possible The whole VAR set up is wrong they are always looking to disallow perfectly good goals for the slightest indiscretion eg the Fulham goal v Chelsea
If we have to have VAR then it needs to be totally revised and the football players and managers need to be consulted instead of leaving to IFAB with the idiot David Ellery in charge
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And already this season pgmol have issued more apologies than at the same point last season. Explain that Mr Webb
 
Gordyola said:
Another VAR correct decision for the stats

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Handball? Are they mad??

So they've determined that it barely grazed the forearm on the way up to the head, from a deflected slide tackle? I thought VAR had come to a consensus that inadvertent contact with the arm, particularly off of deflections at close range, is not inherently a handball?

Have we all of a sudden returned back to the Early days of VAR where anything determined to hit any part of the arm was automatically a handball? I thought we put that whole concept to bed. There was no contact with the hand certainly, and any contact with the inside of the arm is speculative at best. Even if it did graze the forearm, would that have had any effect on its path to the head?

The commentators couldn't believe that it was even being reviewed, let alone having the goal being chalked off. This decision clearly influenced the outcome of the match. That whole sequence is completely farcical.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
Handball? Are they mad??

So they've determined that it barely grazed the forearm on the way up to the head, from a deflected slide tackle? I thought VAR had come to a consensus that inadvertent contact with the arm, particularly off of deflections at close range, is not inherently a handball?

Have we all of a sudden returned back to the Early days of VAR where anything determined to hit any part of the arm was automatically a handball? There was no contact with the hand certainly, and any contact with the inside of the arm is speculative at best. Even if it did graze the forearm, would that have had any effect on its path to the head?

The commentators couldn't believe that it was even being reviewed, let alone having the goal being chalked off. This decision clearly influenced the outcome of the match. That whole sequence is completely farcical.
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Not handball,1000025175.jpg
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
Handball? Are they mad??

So they've determined that it barely grazed the forearm on the way up to the head, from a deflected slide tackle? I thought VAR had come to a consensus that inadvertent contact with the arm, particularly off of deflections at close range, is not inherently a handball?

Have we all of a sudden returned back to the Early days of VAR where anything determined to hit any part of the arm was automatically a handball? I thought we put that whole concept to bed. There was no contact with the hand certainly, and any contact with the inside of the arm is speculative at best. Even if it did graze the forearm, would that have had any effect on its path to the head?

The commentators couldn't believe that it was even being reviewed, let alone having the goal being chalked off. This decision clearly influenced the outcome of the match. That whole sequence is completely farcical.
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If it did graze his arm, it is factually handball. That hasn’t changed, as far as the goal scorer is concerned.

This is actually an almost identical scenario to the Haaland incident at Tottenham, last year. Right down to the commentators being totally oblivious to the fact that handball had been given on field, so the VAR would need to find definitive proof that he didn’t handle it, to overrule the referee and give a goal.
 
Stephen230 said:
If it did graze his arm, it is factually handball. That hasn’t changed, as far as the goal scorer is concerned.

This is actually an almost identical scenario to the Haaland incident at Tottenham, last year. Right down to the commentators being totally oblivious to the fact that handball had been given on field, so the VAR would need to find definitive proof that he didn’t handle it, to overrule the referee and give a goal.
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This is the sort of thing that irritates when it's used as a justification for a stupid decision.

The whole stupid incident is based on a stupid addition to the laws that is unnecessary and reactionary, made by stupid people at IFAB, applied by stupid referees and finally reviewed by VAR to make sure it is absolutely stupid in practice.

Did I mention it is all stupid? Wtf has happened to the game in the last ten years?
 
halfcenturyup said:
And it effects the outcome of too many games with decisions that don't make any sense. The whole thing needs re-thinking, imho.
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Until officials can do it properly it is flawed, and that will never happen.

Goal line tech, automated offside is all we need, if it reads a goal or a player off it pings to the watch, remove human interaction.
or
go old school allow human error without the fannying about
 
.db. said:
You obviously don’t understand what I’ve said.

The problem in football is not video technology, it’s the people running it who are the problem. Referee standards in this sport are appalling… not video technology itself.

Football was running like some skint backwater minority sport when it didn’t have video technology. It’s still a joke of a sport because the standard of officials are appalling for the size of the sport. But 21st Century elite football needs video technology as much as it needs a referee on the pitch, it just needs a massively better standard of officials full stop.
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That isn't gonna happen, so we have to accept VAR isn't going to ever be what we want it to be and decide is it really helping or hurting the game at present
 
halfcenturyup said:
This is the sort of thing that irritates when it's used as a justification for a stupid decision.

The whole stupid incident is based on a stupid addition to the laws that is unnecessary and reactionary, made by stupid people at IFAB, applied by stupid referees and finally reviewed by VAR to make sure it is absolutely stupid in practice.

Did I mention it is all stupid? Wtf has happened to the game in the last ten years?
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You are always going to be open to creating farcical outcomes when you have different rules for the same offence, depending where on the pitch you are, as we have with the handball law. We've had actual incidents where a defender has accidentally handballed the ball on to a striker arm, who scores and the offence is committed by the striker, even though both were accidental and one wouldn't have happened without the other.

I do have a degree of sympathy with the law makers though. This was brought in largely to penalise a goal being scored by an accidental handball, like the Wolves player did against City that time, when he tried to head it but the ball came off his hand instead and into the net. And I don't think anybody wants that either.
 
Even now I am preparing myself for what will be the usual cataclysmic fuck up tomorrow that rescues the rags once again. Perhaps Slabhead diving far to his right to palm a goal-bound shot away for a corner...and the ref not seeing it. Or Ratboy, throws a tantrum because a minor decision didn't go his way and ends up kicking fuck out of the ref, a real battering. Paramedics arrive but not in time to stop a cardiac arrest, and as the stricken official takes his last breath he looks pleadingly up at the concerned faces and gasps: "He didn't touch me. I fell over. And please tell Howard Webb to make sure my family are looked after."

Yours, Kent the Soothsayer.
 
Stephen230 said:
You are always going to be open to creating farcical outcomes when you have different rules for the same offence, depending where on the pitch you are, as we have with the handball law. We've had actual incidents where a defender has accidentally handballed the ball on to a striker arm, who scores and the offence is committed by the striker, even though both were accidental and one wouldn't have happened without the other.

I do have a degree of sympathy with the law makers though. This was brought in largely to penalise a goal being scored by an accidental handball, like the Wolves player did against City that time, when he tried to head it but the ball came off his hand instead and into the net. And I don't think anybody wants that either.
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:) I don't have much sympathy for the lawmakers as you can probably tell. They are going about everything the wrong way: making more and more detailed laws to cover every eventuality, but they never will. Whether we are talking on-field rules or off-field rules - it's a hopeless project.

This middle ground of hugely subjective rules reviewed twice by different people is a nonsense. And it always will be. Either leave simple, subjective rules to the referee's discretion or have every rule a clear binary decision with the technology in place to determine the outcome without error. You can guess which one I favour.

And, personally, I wouldn't care if someone scores against City after the ball accidentally hits his hand. Or his head, or his bollocks. If it's accidental, live with it. Leave it to the referee to see that. If it's so slight that he can't see it then nobody should care apart from anal-ysts who need bullshit to create "entertainment" around. If the referee sees it and thinks it's accidental then leave it alone. If the referee thinks it's accidental but it was clearly deliberate on tenth viewing of a replay then ban the fucker for three weeks. He won't do it again. Just leave the beautiful game alone for Christ's sake.

Sorry for the rant, but this stuff makes my blood boil. I am very nearly done with it. The game is almost unwatchable these days.
 
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