VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Stephen230 said:
IFAB met yesterday and amongst their discussions was the possibility of extending the referee's eight second countdown to throw ins and goal kicks. Not quite sure how that would work and when the countdown would start exactly, with the ball being out of play and completely different to a goalkeeper holding the ball whilst in play, but time will tell.

They've also agreed to push on with the idea of making second yellows reviewable by VAR. But have shelved ideas to make incorrectly awarded corners that lead to goals, reviewable.

Their AGM is in February, when any changes for next season would have to be ratified.
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Just what we need: more fucking about and fannying with a game that we loved with all its foibles . I’m guessing some will welcome it.
 
johnnytapia said:
Just what we need: more fucking about and fannying with a game that we loved with all its foibles . I’m guessing some will welcome it.
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lets just let keepers pluck the ball out the air, fall to the ground in slow motion, poke a tongue out at the crowd, lay down for 20 odds seconds, stand up, bounce the ball for an age , shout and point at players for a bit more, few more bonces.. and then hoof it down field. Not infuriating at all.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
lets just let keepers pluck the ball out the air, fall to the ground in slow motion, poke a tongue out at the crowd, lay down for 20 odds seconds, stand up, bounce the ball for an age , shout and point at players for a bit more, few more bonces.. and then hoof it down field. Not infuriating at all.
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Like I said, some will want more and more changes.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
lets just let keepers pluck the ball out the air, fall to the ground in slow motion, poke a tongue out at the crowd, lay down for 20 odds seconds, stand up, bounce the ball for an age , shout and point at players for a bit more, few more bonces.. and then hoof it down field. Not infuriating at all.
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Start the count as soon the keeper touches down on the ground then. He will soon get straight back up on his feet then or they will cut out the often needless, theatrical fall to the ground in the first place.
 
Coljj said:
Start the count as soon the keeper touches down on the ground then. He will soon get straight back up on his feet then or they will cut out the often needless, theatrical fall to the ground in the first place.
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nope , apparently it's fine as it is! why change it all. the game is finished !!!
 
johnnytapia said:
Just what we need: more fucking about and fannying with a game that we loved with all its foibles . I’m guessing some will welcome it.
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As long as we're stuck with VAR at all, I welcome them getting involved with incorrect second yellows.

A sending off is a huge, potentially game changing event and together with goals and penalties, is pretty much the whole core purpose of having a VAR.

For them not to be allowed in-put in an obviously incorrect sending off seems a bit of an unintended anomaly to me.
 
Stephen230 said:
As long as we're stuck with VAR at all, I welcome them getting involved with incorrect second yellows.

A sending off is a huge, potentially game changing event and together with goals and penalties, is pretty much the whole core purpose of having a VAR.

For them not to be allowed in-put in an obviously incorrect sending off seems a bit of an unintended anomaly to me.
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You just know there will be an unofficial higher threshold imposed by VAR for second yellow's just like there is for offences committed inside that 18x44yd rectangle in front of the goal.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yeh, I've heard that belittling point a few times - think you must of forget our run of top 6/7 finishes last few years under Moyes and our Europa/Conference league - small fry for you but absolutely massive for us and our fans were just as outraged and cried corruption for every VAR decision that didn't go our way - all fans feel hard done by and can give plenty of examples, some of which fully justified to feel aggrieved.
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It's no more a belittling point than you insisting that anybody who doesn't like VAR is a FOC or some luddite who just isnt intelligent enough to understand the nuances of the modern game, particularly as West Ham did actually finish 14th last season.
I'm guessing that is why you didn't address the rest of my point in my post, for you to constantly point out that VAR is occasionally used to get the correct decision doesn't negate the fact that as fans we have watched multiple instances of VAR being used incorrectly or not all in some of the biggest games we've played over the last 6 or 7 seasons.
The fact is that the refereeing teams are still making big game changing errors and are still falling for obvious dives.
The first season it was brought in referees were crippled by indecision which meant they weren't giving a decision at all unless a player threw themselves to the ground. This has now continued where we're now at the point where diving and cheating is as commonplace in the Premier League as it has been in Europe for quite a few years, we used to laugh and take the piss out of European football because of the amount of cheating and now we're in the same place.
As you're fond of stating how great it is now that we dont get miles offside goals anymore can you tell me how many of these really obvious goals there were in the 5 years before VAR came in? I can only remember one really ridiculous non-offside and that was West Ham v United and as far as I can remember the United player didn't actually score it. It certainly wasnt any more of a ridiculous decision than Rashford against City post VAR.
Or another question, you're very keen to point out that VAR has stopped any non-contact diving so do you honestly think that there is more or less diving and play acting in the Premier League now than there was 10 years ago?
Personally, I think there's just as many errors and wrong decisions as there's ever been and as a once season card holder shit decisions pre-VAR were a pain in the arse but we got over them as when youre at the game you see how fast it all is and the margins that are in play. However, now that the referee team has access to video replays the number of basic, bad decisions is unforgiveable. You dont agree, which is fine but you need to understand that there's an emotional and very real difference between VAR being used to get a correct decision over whether contact between a defender or attacker was just inside or just outside the box between two teams with no historical animosity in round 6 of a 38 game league season and the decision to watch a very obvious, non-subjective incident on replay multiple times in the FA Cup Final, the showpiece game of the English season, and then decide to ignore the rules of the game despite having all the technology available for no apparent reason other than game management or because it's what the pundits/neutrals at home would prefer.
When West Ham score a winning goal in a Champions League final, and you dont celebrate it because you know the move involved a pass forward to a player who was near the goalline and you're trying to replay the move in your head to work out whether he was offside or not, at that point maybe, just maybe, you'll understand why people who have watched the game become a mess of diving, faking and poor decisions from the refereeing team dont think it's worth keeping a system that's removed the best part of the game to replace it with baffling, inconsistent and just plain wrong decisions.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
lets just let keepers pluck the ball out the air, fall to the ground in slow motion, poke a tongue out at the crowd, lay down for 20 odds seconds, stand up, bounce the ball for an age , shout and point at players for a bit more, few more bonces.. and then hoof it down field. Not infuriating at all.
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Let's just apply the laws of the game as they are and book the fuckers if they are time wasting, rather than put new laws out the referees can choose to apply or not. Book them and they don't do it again. It's that simple.

By the way, this second yellow VAR thing: goalkeeper timewastes, gets yellow, does it again. Warrants a red card? Player on a yellow takes his shirt off after scoring. Warrants a red card? The game doesn't need more rules, more VAR. It just needs referees to do the right thing, consistently, to the best of their ability.
 
richardtheref said:
My take was that van dick was on the line but the contract with the opponent was outside. Therefore, refs original award was correct. Clear and obvious mistake. Don't think so. Oh well shit happens.
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They will say it was a factual call, so clear and obvious doesn't come into it. It's all bollocks.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Let's just apply the laws of the game as they are and book the fuckers if they are time wasting, rather than put new laws out the referees can choose to apply or not. Book them and they don't do it again. It's that simple.
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Many keepers don't mind getting booked at all, in fact it just wastes more time.
 
Stephen230 said:
As long as we're stuck with VAR at all, I welcome them getting involved with incorrect second yellows.

A sending off is a huge, potentially game changing event and together with goals and penalties, is pretty much the whole core purpose of having a VAR.

For them not to be allowed in-put in an obviously incorrect sending off seems a bit of an unintended anomaly to me.
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Thing is with second yellows.

A players first foul may be very soft. His second yellow offence may be warranted.

So after the ref issues the second yellow card leading to a red card, does the ref go back to the first yellow and re cind that one?

We are gonna see players committing proper yellow card offences first then getting soft second yellow cards wiped off via VAR, but not the other way round as I describe above.

How can that be fair??
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Many keepers don't mind getting booked at all, in fact it just wastes more time.
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How many keepers waste more time after they have already been booked for it? As for the booking, if the referee doesn't add more time on at the end, that is because he is a poor referee, not because the existing rule is wrong.
 
halfcenturyup said:
How many keepers waste more time after they have already been booked for it? As for the booking, if the referee doesn't add more time on at the end, that is because he is a poor referee, not because the existing rule is wrong.
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90+ mins and 4 mins injury time, keeper grabs the ball , lays on ground for ages, bounces it loads, walks around. crowd get restless and finally the ref runs over.. he gives the keeper a yellow card... runs back to half way line. blows his whistle... keeper pushes it another 10 seconds then hoofs it downfield.

surely far better that a keeper knows he cant mess around as he will give away a corner. which is far more damaging at the end of a game than a pointless yellow card.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Oh right, so whats the issue ? i've sat in the stands for 30 odd years and since VAR introduction and still go odd game. strange one to keep bringing up.
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Because you talk about VAR from a fan’s perspective- and you don’t watch the match from a fan’s perspective- you wstch it on the TV.
If you think VAR makes the game better why are you wasting your £ at Ebbsfleet? You can’t be happy seeing games that aren’t having every goal checked.
I was at our game last night - it was pure joy when we scored - no fucking around wondering if there’d been some bollocks in the build up.
Just like Ebbsfleet
 
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