VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Well did everyone not want the refs to communicate the reason for the VAR decision ? Do you not want that ?

No idea your other point.

His other point … not that difficult to understand really … we are playing Swansea away in the Carabao so no VAR thank fuck

 

[BlueHammer85]

His other point … not that difficult to understand really … we are playing Swansea away in the Carabao so no VAR thank fuck

Ah, makes sense.
Said all along if people prefer to have the game without VAR that’s fine with me, I’d rather have it - especially seeing how much clear mistakes the refs make without it.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Nope, everyone I know wants it fucking off completely.

That’s fine, I have no problem with that.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Ah, makes sense.
Said all along if people prefer to have the game without VAR that’s fine with me, I’d rather have it - especially seeing how much clear mistakes the refs make with it.

Corrected that for you

 

[BlueHammer85]

Corrected that for you

Feels like it.
One mistake with VAR and it’s WW3, everyone gets to vent and moan which let’s face it they love doing.
In reality, it’s correcting a hell of a lot of clear errors and the game benefits from that.
Brentford wouldn’t have had a penalty yesterday and ref before VAR would likely have pointed to the spot when Gakpo went down easily prior VAR. Liverpool fans today will no doubt be crying about corruption etc but the decisions were correct. Fans just need to deal with it - but they won’t. Forever moan and whinge no matter what officiating system we have in place. Scrap VAR and the moan about refs thread adds on an extra hundred pages each weekend.

 

[richardtheref]

My take was that van dick was on the line but the contract with the opponent was outside. Therefore, refs original award was correct. Clear and obvious mistake. Don't think so. Oh well shit happens.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

My take was that van dick was on the line but the contract with the opponent was outside. Therefore, refs original award was correct. Clear and obvious mistake. Don't think so. Oh well shit happens.

From the angle shown, it was difficult to see where the initial contact took place. However, VAR has a number of ways to determine it, just as they do with the millimetre offside decisions, so we have to assume, with the time taken to call it, that VAR had the exact moment which states that it’s a penalty.

Would I have given it as a penalty, no, and it was definitely a dive following contact. But, by the letter of the law, there was contact and as the ref had given a FK, it had to be a penalty on review.

 

[richardtheref]

From the angle shown, it was difficult to see where the initial contact took place. However, VAR has a number of ways to determine it, just as they do with the millimetre offside decisions, so we have to assume, with the time taken to call it, that VAR had the exact moment which states that it’s a penalty.

Would I have given it as a penalty, no, and it was definitely a dive following contact. But, by the letter of the law, there was contact and as the ref had given a FK, it had to be a penalty on review.

But where was the contact?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

But where was the contact?

Obviously on the line, then a milli-second later, he threw himself to the floor. It wasn’t a free kick for me, therefore no penalty. But as VAR confirmed it was on the line, and that the FK had already been given, there was no option but to give a penalty.

 

[skillman]

Did that penalty shout ever get checked? Not only did Rogers push Gvardiol with two hands and not go for the ball, the bloke sliding in didn’t get near the ball either.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Did that penalty shout ever get checked? Not only did Rogers push Gvardiol with two hands and not go for the ball, the bloke sliding in didn’t get near the ball either.

VAR was brought in for those sorts of calls. Where on the pitch can you 2 handed push people over. Its beyond saving in its current form.

 

[Blue2112]

Did that penalty shout ever get checked? Not only did Rogers push Gvardiol with two hands and not go for the ball, the bloke sliding in didn’t get near the ball either.

I don't think we help ourselves in these instances, we just got up and played on. We should have been screaming for it, throwing our arms up and making a clear point of it. We made it easy for var to think why get involved even the players can't be bothered. We are to nice with no desire to win at any cost.

 

[borassic]

I don't think we help ourselves in these instances, we just got up and played on. We should have been screaming for it, throwing our arms up and making a clear point of it. We made it easy for var to think why get involved even the players can't be bothered. We are to nice with no desire to win at any cost.

We certainly lack a bit of nastiness/snideness, only Khusanov has it, maybe a little bit in Bernardo. The amount of times Villa played the game and went down, we should have been doing the same. We are crying out for someone like Fernandinho right now.

 

[Stephen230]

IFAB met yesterday and amongst their discussions was the possibility of extending the referee's eight second countdown to throw ins and goal kicks. Not quite sure how that would work and when the countdown would start exactly, with the ball being out of play and completely different to a goalkeeper holding the ball whilst in play, but time will tell.

They've also agreed to push on with the idea of making second yellows reviewable by VAR. But have shelved ideas to make incorrectly awarded corners that lead to goals, reviewable.

Their AGM is in February, when any changes for next season would have to be ratified.

 

[BlueHammer85]

IFAB met yesterday and amongst their discussions was the possibility of extending the referee's eight second countdown to throw ins and goal kicks. Not quite sure how that would work and when the countdown would start exactly, with the ball being out of play and completely different to a goalkeeper holding the ball whilst in play, but time will tell.

They've also agreed to push on with the idea of making second yellows reviewable by VAR. But have shelved ideas to make incorrectly awarded corners that lead to goals, reviewable.

Their AGM is in February, when any changes for next season would have to be ratified.

Love the new concept of giving corners if the goalie time wastes.

 

[Stephen230]

Love the new concept of giving corners if the goalie time wastes.

Have to say, it's worked great so far as a preventative measure. The Brentford one at weekend was only the second time a 'keeper has been penalised in the Premier League.

Was very noticeably how it's changed 'keepers habits on Sunday at Villa. When Martinez was catching balls late on, it would have been a good 30 seconds minimum, each time last season. But he knew he wouldn't get away with that now, so he had to just get on with it.

 

[Gazza]

So you’ve already gone from “everyone “ to “many”.
Can’t wait for our match on Wednesday. If we score, no fannying around wondering if some **** on VAR searching for any excuse to disallow it. Back of net, no flag, go mental. Just like we used to

I think there's a certain contributor to this thread that would love us to go out to an 'offside' goal.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Love the new concept of giving corners if the goalie time wastes.

I hate it. Not the concept as such, but the giving of a corner. Why a corner? Makes no sense. An indirect fee kick makes more sense (to me at least)

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

It is actually mad to strictly enforce how long a GK can hold the ball, or how long a free kick taker or a throw in man has to put it in play. 8 seconds? These are situations for everyone to get a momentary breather. To rush GKs to put it back in by threatening a corner kick of all things makes it all that much stranger. It does not make sense for a corner to be given for a foul inside the box. If time wasting is enforced, it should be an Indirect Free Kick from the spot. They are misapplying the appropriate kick for such an infraction, which is something that has not been enforced because there is no need to have it enforced. They continue to erode the integrity of the sport with gimmicks like this, rushing the keeper or on throw ins is farcical and it is further evidence that they have lost the plot as it pertains to what is supposed to happen in football.

I quite like when the GK holds the ball for 20 seconds or so. I especially like when he saves a late kick and stays down for 10 seconds. It's an expression of relief and taking the time to properly reset. Everyone takes a deep breath, the keeper dribbles the ball, gazes downfield deciding whether to kick or throw. That is part of the reset. The understanding was that excessive holding of the ball by the GK beyond the stated time limit wouldn't necessarily be penalized, as it could be added to the stoppage time at the end of a half. It would be up to the referee's discretion. He could decide to enforce time wasting with an IFK but it would be unusual to do so.

These new measures would seem to be in part a reaction to VAR causing matches to have way more stoppage time on average than they ever did. I can't think of any other reason to decide to strictly enforce such things that haven't been traditionally enforced. It is yet another example of the erosion of natural football by overlords who do not appreciate the finer points of the sport and how it all flows in synchronicity. Rushing GKs in such a way is unnatural and can lead to errant throws. If they are taking too long you can add another minute to stoppage time in a half, problem solved, no need to enforce something that's never really been enforced.

Hearing about an 8 second limit for throw-ins is yet again unnecessary. Time wasting is not a serious problem in football. It is the people deciding to enforce such things who are the ones who have created serious problems in football, with VAR and all the changes that go along with it. Natural pauses like the GK deciding how long to hold on to the ball is part of the natural flow.

 

[Kippax77]

Was watching the Brentford Dippers game Saturday night and thought I was seeing things.
Van Dyke looked at the ref and did a Ted Rogers impression, which must of gone down well with him because he then gave Liverpool a corner even though Brentford had the ball.
Strange game these days