VAR Discussion Thread

TheBeautifulGame said:
I understand, specifically the NFL style announcements which I abhor. I would just point out that video review as a concept might be seen as an American creation, however in American circles, it was largely seen as an attack on American institutions. As far as what is seen as an American influence (something negative) compounds the problem because it redirects the blame to people who are not in control, and takes it off the people who are. American sports have also been harmed by video review and the kind of rule changes that have gone along with it, whether it's NFL/NCAA or other American sports, whether it's football. It's all wrong and we shouldn't act like Americans "support" VAR or even video replay in their sports. They don't, in much the same way that we don't support VAR in football invading and disrespecting our sports, they don't like seeing what happened to their sports by the same kind of agenda.

America might have Donald Trump and the World Cup this year, but as a Footballing country, they are not involved in any of this. American influence has not, even remotely, caused what happened to football. What happened to football was an agenda put into motion by FIFA and accepted by local and national football authorities as the way forward. By framing it as an American influence, you're suggesting that America is somehow running World Football or making decisions related to VAR or the LOTG. They're not. Football is being run by FIFA and its European partners, not by America. Not by Yanks.
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Influence influencing is like your posts utter babble rubbish!
 
Johnnyblue7 said:
What I can't understand is why other teams that are being fucked over by the blatant manipulation of VAR never voice their opposition to what's so obvious, it leaves us on our own and looking paranoid.
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The problem is that VAR's very nature pulls at the fabric of our emotional investment in the sport we love and are being manipulated by it. It all feels so personal when VAR gets involved and takes away a glorious moment. It's happened against City countless times in recent matches, and it feels like a conspiracy is against us anytime VAR gets involved. It's just the nature of the obscure thing. The same way so many Blues felt over the last several weeks, are the same feelings suffered by so many others on so many occasions.

You hit on a very important point, that we are left looking paranoid to simply complain that we are being treated unfairly. That sentiment is real, not only here but throughout the League and throughout the Football world. The same feelings the Real Madrids and the Barcelonas of the world feel when they've been undone by VAR. It's bound to happen to everyone but VAR does not punish and reward equally. And we cannot be endlessly strung along by this manipulation. that was the whole idea behind and the justification for its existence. Failing there leaves it having no justification and needing to be binned and that's exactly what needs to happen now sooner rather than later.

And to those that refuse to detach from the idea that VAR is the way forward no matter how much we dislike it, that is not an acceptable position. It is a wonder that VAR still exists given how unpopular and annoying it is to trying to watch a football match. I dare anyone to do a poll of English football fans on if they want VAR to go or stay, what do you think the results would be?
 
waspish said:
Influence influencing is like your posts utter babble rubbish!
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If you have something constructive to add I welcome your input. But simply expressing your discontent is not conducive to further discussion. I would encourage you to try again and respond to any points of contention or agreement.
 
madloaf said:
VAR is shit.

Why use 1764 words when 3 will do.
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Because complaining often doesn't solve problems. Action requires thought and thought requires perspective. I don't want to live in a world where fellow Blues are constantly on edge from VAR decisions. I'm trying to keep things in their proper perspective by saying how you feel is exactly how other clubs feel when they are undone by VAR, and this is merely a symptom of the larger problem created through VAR. The feelings Blues would have after what has happened are very real and justified. But it is important to remember that this whole dark cloud can be removed with the removal of VAR. And going back to the normal way wouldn't remove bias or the possibily of being wronged but it would lesson the impact and the neverending agony of it all. This is not the way football was intended to be administered and I think we all understand that perfectly well by now. But understanding alone or voicing displeasure will only get you so far.

It's one thing to enjoy the success of Championship after Championship often by a comfortable margin and then to be in it and battling harder than ever to stay on top. But the problems related to VAR are systemic and they have implemented problems which come along with that that really need to go at this point. And we hear statements about how the PL wants there to be a rotation of Champions and such and with it playing out in matches with VAR as it has it feels like we are being held back, maybe not by direct order but by subconcious decision-making standards changing conveniently in order to arrive at contrived results created by matches being inturrupted and flow being lost.

Lets say we do nothing and just let this play out and this same routine happening again and again. Is this a sustainable future for Football with this never ending VAR madness? I don't think so and I don't think many Blues would disagree about that.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
What has been done to Football has been insulting and disrespectful. What has been done to American Sports like NFL/NCAA was insulting and disrespectful to those sports. How those sports have changed, how football has been changed by this sort of thing is not dissimilar to what has occurred in those American sports. There's a common thread here, on both sides of the pond, sports have been harmed by overreaching changes to the sport, through technological intervention, that allows administrators to "Play God", stop matches, review decision, decide who wins games. I'm opposed to this entirely, whether it's in American sports or in Football. It just so happens that we're concerned with Football, and much of what happened to Football might be seen as some kind of American influence, but that's not the way I see it. I see this agenda as a threat to sports generally, first with American sports which have been in decline largely as a result of all this and now with Football. What is insulting and disrespectful is what has been done to football, by the same sort of agenda that has hurt American sports, is now harming Football and I won't stand for it, now will I stand for anyone trying to redirect blame away from who is responsible for causing this crisis.
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AI generation of a post.
 
VOOMER said:
To be fair it isn't shit, its the utterly corrupt arseholes appyling.
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That's been the tagline to keep VAR in Football. "It's not VAR, it's the people running it." Bollocks!

Granted, some run it worse than others but that's very related to making everyone use it. This is like if England was split down the middle into two separate countries and instead of protesting the split you had people saying "it's not the splitting of the country, it's the people applying the split".

I just can't stand the excuse making about VAR and, while, yes there's plenty of reason to blame the people running it, especially in the Premier League, frankly those involved with Football have been harassed by FIFA and forced to use VAR, essentially against their will and I find that corrupt. The Howard Webbs and Dermys of the world didn't ask to be VAR spokesmen, they were assigned it and given a promotion for supporting the VAR agenda and never looking back.

Compared to normal football, VAR is varying levels of bad depending on who's using it. But rather than condemn the people forced to use this absurdist system, how about instead we criticize the system itself and the how it has been allowed to be implemented so foolish and stay as long as it has so we can actually get it out of the sport? As it's this system that caused these people to be using it, and often poorly. And while there's plenty of blame to go around, the criticism should be rooted in actual implementation of such a system that caused so many to be forced to use it without anyone involved having a real say in the matter, and struggling to such a large degree and causing such a crisis in the sport, that is completely unjustifiable at its core.

Frankly with your argument, you are keeping VAR in play, arguing that VAR is fine it's just the people running it. With that mindset, this madness never ends. We need to find an escape hatch here, not to go further down this VAR rabbit hole.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
If you have something constructive to add I welcome your input. But simply expressing your discontent is not conducive to further discussion. I would encourage you to try again and respond to any points of contention or agreement.
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Ah this is what people like you do am not interested! Ignore
 
Typical by new posters with hardly any posts to come on here trying to tell us all we are bias is our thinking! I’ve seen enough and if you watch that analysation of that foul on Guehi for the goal should tell you they are full of shit actually lying that Solanki got the first touch then keep showing that angle! You still see Guehi traps the ball then Solanki gets the poke!
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
Because complaining often doesn't solve problems. Action requires thought and thought requires perspective. I don't want to live in a world where fellow Blues are constantly on edge from VAR decisions. I'm trying to keep things in their proper perspective by saying how you feel is exactly how other clubs feel when they are undone by VAR, and this is merely a symptom of the larger problem created through VAR. The feelings Blues would have after what has happened are very real and justified. But it is important to remember that this whole dark cloud can be removed with the removal of VAR. And going back to the normal way wouldn't remove bias or the possibily of being wronged but it would lesson the impact and the neverending agony of it all. This is not the way football was intended to be administered and I think we all understand that perfectly well by now. But understanding alone or voicing displeasure will only get you so far.

It's one thing to enjoy the success of Championship after Championship often by a comfortable margin and then to be in it and battling harder than ever to stay on top. But the problems related to VAR are systemic and they have implemented problems which come along with that that really need to go at this point. And we hear statements about how the PL wants there to be a rotation of Champions and such and with it playing out in matches with VAR as it has it feels like we are being held back, maybe not by direct order but by subconcious decision-making standards changing conveniently in order to arrive at contrived results created by matches being inturrupted and flow being lost.

Lets say we do nothing and just let this play out and this same routine happening again and again. Is this a sustainable future for Football with this never ending VAR madness? I don't think so and I don't think many Blues would disagree about that.
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I admire your effort but I actually think your posts are the VAR of posts. They have unnecessarily complicated what is in fact very simple.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
That's been the tagline to keep VAR in Football. "It's not VAR, it's the people running it." Bollocks!

Granted, some run it worse than others but that's very related to making everyone use it. This is like if England was split down the middle into two separate countries and instead of protesting the split you had people saying "it's not the splitting of the country, it's the people applying the split".

I just can't stand the excuse making about VAR and, while, yes there's plenty of reason to blame the people running it, especially in the Premier League, frankly those involved with Football have been harassed by FIFA and forced to use VAR, essentially against their will and I find that corrupt. The Howard Webbs and Dermys of the world didn't ask to be VAR spokesmen, they were assigned it and given a promotion for supporting the VAR agenda and never looking back.

Compared to normal football, VAR is varying levels of bad depending on who's using it. But rather than condemn the people forced to use this absurdist system, how about instead we criticize the system itself and the how it has been allowed to be implemented so foolish and stay as long as it has so we can actually get it out of the sport? As it's this system that caused these people to be using it, and often poorly. And while there's plenty of blame to go around, the criticism should be rooted in actual implementation of such a system that caused so many to be forced to use it without anyone involved having a real say in the matter, and struggling to such a large degree and causing such a crisis in the sport, that is completely unjustifiable at its core.

Frankly with your argument, you are keeping VAR in play, arguing that VAR is fine it's just the people running it. With that mindset, this madness never ends. We need to find an escape hatch here, not to go further down this VAR rabbit hole.
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No it is the people running it, I suggest your escape hatch is errmmm fucking off?
 
VOOMER said:
No it is the people running it, I suggest your escape hatch is errmmm fucking off?
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The Escape hatch in this case is sending VAR to the sin bin. Escaping Football being played in this manner means returning to football being played properly. As in, forward kickoffs, remember those, and normal Flowing Football. You're saying, naww this new way of doing football with VAR is great, it's just the people running it. Boooo. VAR sucks, always has, always will, regardless of who's running it, and the horse VAR rode in on.
 
madloaf said:
I admire your effort but I actually think your posts are the VAR of posts. They have unnecessarily complicated what is in fact very simple.
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It is simple in that we all strongly dislike VAR to put it mildly, but what isn't simple is the fact that this exists in our sport and has become a villain to what we hold dear. VAR has been a huge wrench that has stabbed the inner workings of the stabled seasoned machinery while it was running which has damaged the machine and has caused it to not work properly. The accepted way of doing things has been turned upside down with VAR and there is nothing complicated about the rationale that I am applying to VAR here. If it were so simple then one would think everyone would agree that it needs to be binned immediately and that would be that. But rather it persists. If it were as simple as you are making it out to be VAR would not still be in football. Those still pushing VAR are in an untenable situation. They are effectively frozen in place knowing that they support a system that is wildly unpopular amongst the fans and seemingly most players and managers it would seem. It's just an abominable situation for football, to have it being conducted in such a contrived and dysfunctional manner, it's embarrassing to see this occur. So action is needed to return football to normal, that's what I'm about and it sounds like you agree on this crucial issue. So what in your view needs to happen in order to do what you claim is so simple. The football powers should immediately end VAR permanently if it were that simple.
 
That Aguero goal……VAR………ruined.

Fck VAR, it’s shite.
BUT, the sunk cost, the money flowing into PIGMOB, hardware, software providers…..it’s going nowhere. Unfortunately.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
Because complaining often doesn't solve problems. Action requires thought and thought requires perspective. I don't want to live in a world where fellow Blues are constantly on edge from VAR decisions. I'm trying to keep things in their proper perspective by saying how you feel is exactly how other clubs feel when they are undone by VAR, and this is merely a symptom of the larger problem created through VAR. The feelings Blues would have after what has happened are very real and justified. But it is important to remember that this whole dark cloud can be removed with the removal of VAR. And going back to the normal way wouldn't remove bias or the possibily of being wronged but it would lesson the impact and the neverending agony of it all. This is not the way football was intended to be administered and I think we all understand that perfectly well by now. But understanding alone or voicing displeasure will only get you so far.

It's one thing to enjoy the success of Championship after Championship often by a comfortable margin and then to be in it and battling harder than ever to stay on top. But the problems related to VAR are systemic and they have implemented problems which come along with that that really need to go at this point. And we hear statements about how the PL wants there to be a rotation of Champions and such and with it playing out in matches with VAR as it has it feels like we are being held back, maybe not by direct order but by subconcious decision-making standards changing conveniently in order to arrive at contrived results created by matches being inturrupted and flow being lost.

Lets say we do nothing and just let this play out and this same routine happening again and again. Is this a sustainable future for Football with this never ending VAR madness? I don't think so and I don't think many Blues would disagree about that.
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All well and good, but when the manager and the players are feeling the pain and talk about it week after week, they do NOT agree with what you say. They're nearly on the edge of calling it cheating.

And that mechanic of "All clubs think they are cheated by the refs and VAR" is correct and this club fanbase has had its fair share of that, and it always evens itself out over time and we go quiet about it.
"We're losing though, so maybe thats why we think we are cheated against".... Thats wasnt the case last season though, we took it on the chin mostly with just the usual "We think we are cheated against"... Nothing on the level of what ALL our fans can see this past few months.
And this has since Novemberish with only two extraordinary decisions going our way in all that time, whilst we have lost count of the extraordinary ones going against us, and whilst extraordinary decisions are given FOR our opposition.

There's just too many things at the same time that are conspiring to handicap City for it to be a coincidence, but lets see.

If you were a betting man would you bet on Liverpool getting the rub of the green or City in the upcoming game?
 
Norbert D said:
That Aguero goal……VAR………ruined.

Fck VAR, it’s shite.
BUT, the sunk cost, the money flowing into PIGMOB, hardware, software providers…..it’s going nowhere. Unfortunately.
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If there had have been VAR at that time - they'd have delayed and delayed plus had a drum roll, ten minutes later they'd have announced 'GOAL' to a stream of ticker-tape and fireworks in an empty stadium as the fans would have long since gone home vowing to never return.
 
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