VAR Discussion Thread

[Blue Mist]

We’ve seen this exact situation for ourselves on ‘Mic’d Up’

The VAR telling the referee that there’s no offside ( they’ll also send the message to Sky at this point ) But that they are now checking the A.P.P. ( attacking phase of play )

That is what he is waiting for confirmation of.

Ok I accept and now understand that was the reason but I will never be won over by Var whilst they look to disallow goals for the smallest of margins. It ruins it and for what it's worth, I would not have complained about Chelseas offside goal if it had been given in the real football world.

 

[Saddleworth2]

when are we getting the semi automated offside VAR? I thought it was to be in place this season.

 

[Stephen230]

Ok I accept and now understand that was the reason but I will never be won over by Var whilst they look to disallow goals for the smallest of margins. It ruins it and for what it's worth, I would not have complained about Chelseas offside goal if it had been given in the real football world.

Well that’s a different argument. And one I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with.

I’ve said numerous times on here, that despite people constantly claiming I’m a big VAR fan and an apologist for its failures, that I couldn’t give a flying fuck if the whole thing was scrapped tomorrow.

But while we do have it, I like to at least understand how it works.

 

[Stephen230]

when are we getting the semi automated offside VAR? I thought it was to be in place this season.

It’s looking most likely after the third international break in mid November now.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

We’ve seen this exact situation for ourselves on ‘Mic’d Up’

The VAR telling the referee that there’s no offside ( they’ll also send the message to Sky at this point ) But that they are now checking the A.P.P. ( attacking phase of play )

That is what he is waiting for confirmation of.

He knew that BEFORE the offside decision even went to VAR. If he hasn't got the balls to give the goal the moment VAR clear the offside he doesn't fucking deserve to be a referee.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

If youre offside youre offside , i have no issue with that.
What i have an issue with is the time it takes.

It was pretty obvious at first glance that bernardo was on side. It didnt need lines. But they faffed for maybe a minute.
And then, and this annoyed me more, when it popped up on the var screen in big green letters ONSIDE, it took another 30 seconds to tell the referee.

Its seems its people full of their own self importance enjoying 2 minutes in the spot light

They always faff about when it's a sky blue goal. Ten secs at most for the Redshite.

 

[Stephen230]

He knew that BEFORE the offside decision even went to VAR. If he hasn't got the balls to give the goal the moment VAR clear the offside he doesn't fucking deserve to be a referee.

Well if he doesn’t fancy being a referee anymore, that would probably be a pretty good way to go about it.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Well if he doesn’t fancy being a referee anymore, that would probably be a pretty good way to go about it.

In principle, VAR is a good idea. In reality, they couldn't have fucked up the implementation any more if they'd tried.

It is fucking horrible.

 

[SebastianBlue]

For anyone curious, Gallagher did not even discuss the disallowed Lewis goal on Ref Watch, despite it posing some big rules questions (specifically when VAR can and cannot intervene), regardless of whether it was in fact a foul from Haaland.

 

[stonerblue]

I noticed Sky announced it was onside and as you say, 30 seconds before the ref gave it. Everything about Var is a farce. My post might sound a rant but I messages a mate straight after the opener saying I was getting so fed up. It just ruins the game.

Certainly pissed me off yesterday.

 

[stonerblue]

You didn’t. The ‘onside’ caption that appears on screen is confirmation that the goal isn’t going to be disallowed for offside. The referee will have had this information relayed to him at the same time.

Once that has been confirmed the VAR then has a quick check that no offence has taken place in the build up, before informing the referee he is good to stick with his original decision.

The commentator on Australian tv told me before any graphic popped up or the ref knew.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The Var lovers need not reply. I am getting sick of football being ruined. Even Sky praised our first goal, the interplay was excellent but oh hang on, Bernies toe nail might just have been offside. It ruins the whole experience especially as we had to wait ages for them to decide.
Then we had the offside farce where they attacked, regrouped and attacked again, then a cup of tea before another attack and then the linesman put his flag up. I accept it isn't his fault, it's the order he has been given...... but it is shit.
19 minutes into the new season and I'm fucked off with it.

You just love playing the part of being the most outraged.

 

[SebastianBlue]

You didn’t. The ‘onside’ caption that appears on screen is confirmation that the goal isn’t going to be disallowed for offside. The referee will have had this information relayed to him at the same time.

Once that has been confirmed the VAR then has a quick check that no offence has taken place in the build up, before informing the referee he is good to stick with his original decision.

I think they are referring to the fact that the broadcast commentators often announce the outcome of the VAR reviews before either the referee or the screen in the stadium (or any graphics on the broadcast), as was the case multiple times yesterday during our match.

For example, on the NBC broadcast I was watching, the commentator announced that our first goal was cleared by VAR before the referee pointed to the centre circle or a graphic was displayed anywhere showing the outcome of their VAR review.

I presume this is because the commentators—unlike the fans—can hear the official coms in real-time.

 

[Phil1]

You just love playing the part of being the most outraged.

Which is not much different to you being the biggest cheerleader.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Which is not much different to you being the biggest cheerleader.

Not particularly, I point out moments where VAR has overturned correctly and how it can be approved etc to add to the discussion - but it's clear some just want a echo chamber to vent and moan.

 

[Phil1]

Not particularly, I point out moments where VAR has overturned correctly and how it can be approved etc to add to the discussion - but it's clear some just want an echo chamber to vent and moan.

Maybe some people’s love of the game has genuinely been affected by VAR and their complaints come from more than wanting a moan and an echo chamber?
Personally I’ve stopped giving a shit. Life’s too short.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Maybe some people’s love of the game has genuinely been affected by VAR and their complaints come from more than wanting a moan and an echo chamber?
Personally I’ve stopped giving a shit. Life’s too short.

For sure, and i understand and get there reasoning.
but i think for others they are constantly looking for an angle to criticize it, often in the conspiracy land.

 

[Stephen230]

I think they are referring to the fact that the broadcast commentators often announce the outcome of the VAR reviews before either the referee or the screen in the stadium (or any graphics on the broadcast), as was the case multiple times yesterday during our match.

For example, on the NBC broadcast I was watching, the commentator announced that our first goal was cleared by VAR before the referee pointed to the centre circle or a graphic was displayed anywhere showing the outcome of their VAR review.

I presume this is because the commentators—unlike the fans—can hear the official coms in real-time.

I think, and it’s the same answer to the guy above watching Australian TV, to save me replying twice, that people are getting confused between the VAR confirming a player was on side and then actually confirming the goal. And I include TV commentators in that.

A commentator or a punter at home might see/ hear the ‘onside’ call. That will simultaneously be relayed to the referee.

The reason the referee still stands there not reacting to that information is because the VAR is then checking the APP ( attacking phase of play )

Even if the commentators can hear the live feed, they can’t possibly know what he’s telling the referee before the referee hears it. Well unless there’s some fault with their comms. I suppose.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I think, and it’s the same answer to the guy above watching Australian TV, to save me replying twice, that people are getting confused between the VAR confirming a player was on side and then actually confirming the goal. And I include TV commentators in that.

A commentator or a punter at home might see/ hear the ‘onside’ call. That will simultaneously be relayed to the referee.

The reason the referee still stands there not reacting to that information is because the VAR is then checking the APP ( attacking phase of play )

Even if the commentators can hear the live feed, they can’t possibly know what he’s telling the referee before the referee hears it. Well unless there’s some fault with their comms. I suppose.

I am not sure it is actually simultaneously relayed to the referee. Or, relayed to the referee before the commentators know, anyway.

That is because it is my understanding that the commentators not only hear the realtime official coms, but they can also see the VAR review feed with the actual offside lines as they are being drawn and positioned (which are now not shown to fans, either on TV or in the stadium). And the referee is certainly not seeing that live video feed.

So, in the case of offside, there are instances where the commentators know the outcome of a VAR review before even the referee is told by VAR. It is usually only a second or two before, but it does happen.

Now, technically it is only an official decision when VAR tells the referee, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t cause confusion for fans when the commentators announce it before the referee hears and indicates on the pitch.

 

[Stephen230]

I am not sure it is actually simultaneously relayed to the referee. Or, relayed to the referee before the commentators know, anyway.

That is because it is my understanding that the commentators not only hear the realtime official coms, but they can also see the VAR review feed with the actual offside lines as they are being drawn and positioned (which are now not shown to fans, either on TV or in the stadium). And the referee is certainly not seeing that live video feed.

So, in the case of offside, there are instances where the commentators know the outcome of a VAR review before even the referee is told by VAR. It is usually only a second or two before, but it does happen.

Now, technically it is only an official decision when VAR tells the referee, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t cause confusion for fans when the commentators announce it before the referee hears and indicates on the pitch.

Yes, I agree. Having an on screen caption and/ or the commentators relaying an offside decision and then cutting to a shot of the referee stood motionless for 30 seconds, can be confusing. And is probably something they should like at.