VAR Discussion Thread

It’s true, it’s a pointless debate that goes round in circles- I point out a handball goal being given and no doubt later there will be a controversial incident where var have got the wrong decision and the arguments go on.
I don’t want perfection and I don’t expect that. I just want a ref to have a second look with tech help or goals like that one today to be rightly ruled out.

But you don't seem to understand that wherever VAR draws the line with their involvement will be a permanent blight on their performance.

Rudiger a second yellow card for his typical act of thuggery? No, that would be crazy. Henderson penalised for deliberately handling the ball outside the area? No, are you serious? I know, though - let's look at giving corners correctly. What did you say? Look at throw-ins as well? Crazy talk, we don't want to re-referee the game.

However you dress it up, VAR was meant to eliminate Henry's handball howler, the two metre offside goal United got at Spurs, the ball a yard over the line, goal not given against United (again, unsurprisingly) - no-one would have any problem with correcting absolute howlers but, for crying out loud, just do what it said on the tin when we all bought it.

And yes, I do see the contradiction in what I am saying. Drawing the line at absolute howlers is as unsatisfactory as drawing it where it is now. That's the fundamental problem with all of it.

By the way, I looked at the Norwich goal. The ball bounced up off his legs and accidentally hit his hand. It was hardly Henry-esque. Now, he was a cheating ****. Don't blame the referee for having to apply rules that he can't possibly judge in real-time on field. Blame the stupid rules that are written to try and ease the VAR burden.

It used to be such a simple game.
 
If it wasn't for the guest wum this thread would be on page 6

It jumps 6+ pages whenever there’s a controversial decision, usually by the same posters that repeat VAR has killed the game and they’re done with it now. Until the next time .. when they repeat the same.
 
Posted in the Palace match thread but got lost.

Can anyone tell me - if the ref plays advantage after a foul in the box, can VAR overrule the advantage?
It would depend on what the referee communicated his decision to the VAR as.

If he said he said he didn't see a foul and just played on, then the VAR could recommend a review for a penalty. But if he said, he saw a foul, played advantage and the attacker missed, there's nothing the VAR can do about that.

It's extremely unlikely to happen though. A referee is only going to play advantage on a penalty if it's an absolute tap in. Also it would probably happen that quickly after the foul that it wouldn't even give him time to indicate an advantage, so would probably still give the penalty anyway.
 
It would depend on what the referee communicated his decision to the VAR as.

If he said he said he didn't see a foul and just played on, then the VAR could recommend a review for a penalty. But if he said, he saw a foul, played advantage and the attacker missed, there's nothing the VAR can do about that.

It's extremely unlikely to happen though. A referee is only going to play advantage on a penalty if it's an absolute tap in. Also it would probably happen that quickly after the foul that it wouldn't even give him time to indicate an advantage, so would probably still give the penalty anyway.
you've answered my question in bold without the caveats.
 
Ruddiger impedes Haaland and they go over in the box, ref would never have gave pen. VAR correctly informs Ref to take a look.
Penalty to Man City. Rightly so. why should City be denied a penalty - which was vital.
What about all the other times that Erling has blatantly been hauled to the ground yet the impeccable VAR failed to highlight it to the onfield incompetent? The above was the exception not the rule. Why, wasn't the penalty given against Newcastle when Phil was fouled in the area or the handball outside the area in the FAC Final There as many missed or not reviewed wrongly than corrected by VAR
There is also the fact that refs will not give a decision and ask VAR to look at it to see if its reviewed until we get to listen to all communications we will never know VAR is a crutch that they rely on
 
Remember that feeling of random referee calls, how its a decision lottery, where there is no consistency, and decisions were just basically wrong, glaring errors....What's changed?

Well, we have a load of suckers who believe it's all been fixed.

Show them some technology and a "process" and they think things are fixed
 
It’s true, it’s a pointless debate that goes round in circles- I point out a handball goal being given and no doubt later there will be a controversial incident where var have got the wrong decision and the arguments go on.
I don’t want perfection and I don’t expect that. I just want a ref to have a second look with tech help or goals like that one today to be rightly ruled out.
So why do you want VAR then?

VAR was introduced to improve decision-making accuracy, which is commendable. However, despite the fabricated statistics, it hasn’t been effective. Football laws and their interpretations are inherently subjective, and adding VAR with video replays introduces even more subjectivity, as there are now multiple opinions involved in a decision. IFAB has attempted to minimize subjectivity by altering the Laws of the Game (LoTG), but this has actually worsened the situation, particularly in the case of handball, which changes every season.

People often discuss the use of technology in football as if there’s a specific application that determines decisions, but in reality, it’s just video footage. When the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) uses the video, they employ slow motion and freeze frames to check if the referee missed something. However, if the only way to see the incident is through slow motion and freeze frames, it means the referee didn’t miss anything. What makes the use of VAR wrong is that it can distort the perception of the event, often making it appear worse.

VAR also distorts a game the Lino doesn't flag, as instructed, but there was a definite offside, play continues immediately a free kick is conceded and a goal is scored direct from the FK
Can you see what is wrong? Before VAR the Lino flagged ref gave an indirect FK and play continued correctly. Does this appear in the stats to show how VAR is getting things wrong? Of course not

Match going fans don't want VAR, see below, and in a small sample size on here neither does posters on this forum and Im sure the same could be said of the club's fan forums


So, why do Howard and his mates? Well its a nice little earner, before VAR it was one match a weekend now its more its also means when they have to retire, as they cant run anymore, its a nice desk job extending their careers

VAR has indeed spoiled the game. Yes, we all complained about referees, and we still do. However, in retrospect, after a game, we would generally accept that the referee had one interpretation of an incident. TV made it unfair to officials with their endless debates and use of video footage about incidents, almost introducing VAR before it was actually implemented. They drew lines across the pitch to indicate a player’s on- or offside position without any correction for parallax. Yet a Lino in real time, inline with play had made a good decision as to whether a player was offside, not his toenail, a genuine human assessment of infringement of the law this meant that the sprit of the law applied, now they use laboratory techniques to find mm infringements and no application of the spirit of the law
 
They have never explained how the graphics are created, because they can't in a way that won't get ripped to pieces.
They have actually

The system uses up to 30 newly installed cameras mounted around Premier League stadiums – with *several capturing footage at 100 frames per second, twice the frame rate of typical broadcast cameras.
The cameras track the exact movement of the ball as well as up to 10,000 surface "mesh" data points per player - meaning the technology will track to see if any attacking player involved in the build-up to any incident was offside.
These are then "flagged" automatically in SAOT software to the VAR and SAOT operator.

The technology is "semi-automated", meaning there is human input as the VAR still needs to confirm the decision and that the SAOT system has accurately identified the "kick-point" and the correct players with the correct part of the body – and the outcome of the SAOT.


The VAR can still over right the "kick point" suggested by SAOT which is what I believe they did with the gaol at Newcastle which when they published the 3D image showed Dias jumping which he did after the actual kick point, the header.

Once the decision is made – a decision visual (image) will be sent to broadcast, giant screens in stadiums and shared on the @PLMatchCentre X account.
This will feature a 3D virtual replay of the relevant players identifiable by each team’s kit.


* Why not all the cameras?
 
VAR decided to tell the referee that he needed to give Simons a red card, effectively re-refereeing the original decision, but then thought there was nothing wrong with Ekitike's foul that enabled him to score.

Clear and obvious manipulation of the outcome of the game. It must be corrupt, because the group of blokes in the VAR room can't all get it so wrong unless they are complicit.

And as for VAR not telling the ref to review Saliba's massive foul on Barry, words fail me!
 

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